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Anti Gun Illinois Senator using State Police

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Anotherguy, Jun 18, 2007.

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  1. Anotherguy

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  2. gc70

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    Why goes second-string? Freedom of speech is a federal civil right, enforced by the Justice Department.
     
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    This is my gun and this is my gestapo.
     
  4. Autolycus

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    Its getting more and more oppressive in this state and the majority of people here do not seem to care. I cannot wait to leave this place!
     
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    Oh, Dan . . . . will you never learn? What an assclown.

    What kind of bugs me is that I didn't get a visit. I live less than an hour from the state ISP headquarters over there on I55, I teach children for a living, and I write a blog called "The Armed Schoolteacher." What does it take to get repressed in this state, anyway? Srsly you guyz.

    If he thought he was getting phone calls and faxes before . . . . I'm tempted to call him up and do the Dale Gribble voice:
    "You don't know who I am but I know where you live . . . ."
    But I've probably pushed that joke as far as it can go; I used to sign in at the security desk at the state Capitol building as "Rusty Shackleford."

    This seems like an excellent time to note that Kotowski has made the mistake of angering "Mack" MacWilliams, who is organizing grassroots teams to work the districts of anti-gunners. Kotowski is job one. I'm hoping I get to work his district, but I'm signed up for whatever is needed.

    If you'd like to sign up to travel around these idiots' districts convincing people to give 'em the boot, email tbi2a@frontiernet.net
    www.IllinoisCarry.com
     
  6. Kentak

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    The ISRA said it best:

    One would hope all RKBA proponents follow that advice. Alas, we all know there is a minority fringe that either has a deficiency of common sense or may believe threats against the person (as opposed to political career) are justified. Such individuals do RKBA great harm.

    The ISRA is right to disavow such threatening advocacy, and equally right to demand that this politico justify this action by proving threats. Unfortunately, if they exist, they will not put gun control opponents in a good light. That's why it behooves us all to be forceful, but rational and civil in our expression of displeasure with our representatives' actions.

    K
     
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    How do you define threat?
    Is there not an inherent threat in the ownership of arms?
    It was, I believe, included as a serious backstop in the fight for civil rights. And is therefore a threat to an oppressive regime.

    Jefferson
     
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    I would like to ask, if the man does not believe in the 2nd Amendment, whatever made anyone of us think he would believe in the 1st Amendment?
     
  9. Kentak

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    Way to go, jselvy, that's exactly what the Brady Bunch says.
     
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    Kentak,
    I know that the antis use that argument. I was trying to illuminate the "thought" (if you can actually call it that) processes of the Distinguished Gentleman. Truth be told oppressive and want to be oppressive government officials should fear an armed populace. An inherent threat does not a criminal make. Technically "you will pay for this at the next election" is a threat. Threat is a vague term that can cover a myriad of communications.


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  11. Kentak

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    P.S.

    I am in NO way defending Kotowski. The ISRA says they've examined the faxes and couldn't find justification for ISP visits to the originator. I tend to believe them. My post was simply a reminder to be careful how you word your displeasure when you communicate with these asshats. Ditto to what Tecumseh said.

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    jselvy,

    Thanks for the clarification. I just know that our words here are probably scrutinized by the opposition for ammunition. Gosh, I hope that's not too tin hattery! LOL.

    K
     
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    And I see nothing wrong with that kind of threat. Just as I will be writing my reps to say, "Ignore this mandate (to secure the borders) at peril of your political career."

    K
     
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    Kentak,

    I didn't mean that there was anything wrong with that threat, just that it was a threat. A wise man once wrote that voting is exercising political power, and power is violence. This could be construed to mean that voting against a particular politician is doing violence to them. Thus to state that you will vote against them if they do not represent your interests is a threat of violence. I will not make moral (good, bad, or indifferent) judgments about that threat but technically it is a threat nonetheless.

    Jefferson

    BTW The wise man was Robert A. Heinlein in the book Starship Troopers a novel on political theory disguised as science fiction. A romping good read, I highly recommend it.
     
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    I really wish that cops would refuse to participate in this type of thing. This is extremely unnerving.
     
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    This wreaks of Trent Lott's recent comments. He very recently said in regard to the immigration bill's defeat “Talk radio is running America. We have to deal with that problem.”

    At some point, Mr. Lott said, Senate Republican leaders may try to rein in “younger guys who are huffing and puffing against the bill.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/15/w...EWS&adxnnlx=1181927333-P5hPmYu7q38uxSRhO18Guw

    Where the heck are these guys getting the idea that they have ANY kind of power over our thoughts? If we don't like their gun bans, we're nuts and need to shut up and stay out of the process. If we don't like their immigration nonsense, they need to "deal with" us?

    Man, these nut jobs are really frustrating to deal with. The worst part is that they keep getting elected regardless of the fact that they seem, in my opinion anyway, to be outspoken fascists.
     
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    In Kotowski's "Brady designed" world, anyone that owns a gun is obviously a threat and any contact from them constitutes a potential problem that should be addressed pre-emptively.

    I have no doubt that he feels using the state police to send a warning message to "protestors" is perfectly justified. After all he knows what the right thing to do is and the rest of you peasants should just shut up and know your place.
     
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    Nowhere here do I see mention of a warrant.

    My ironclad rule of police visits:

    Get a warrant or get bent.

    I will NEVER allow a cop into my house without a warrant, and if at ALL possible without my lawyer present.

    I would tell them that if they want to talk, to make an appointment to meet me at my lawyer's office. I would also tell them that my lawyer planned to record the conversation.

    I'm betting that would stop most of this...
     
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    I hope that the State Police involved know that " I was just following orders" is NOT a valid defense. U.S. judges were involved at Nuremberg, making this valid U.S. case law (I think). It would be unfortunate if there were an eventual backlash over this that put then in prison for violating the civil rights of those that they are asked to intimidate.

    Jefferson
    BTW technically that's a threat too.
     
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    "Is there not an inherent threat in the ownership of arms?"

    I own a chainsaw too, but don't take a day off from work to wait for me to come over and trim your trees.

    John
     
  21. jselvy

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    Are ya sure John? I'll buy ya a beer if you do.

    Jefferson
     
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    And a Priest can openly threaten, not only private citizens, but also state legislators with being "snuffed" for not sharing his views, but if you send a fax saying "I oppose your stand on gun control" to a state senator and the ISP comes to visit.

    Any wonder why I call this place "The People's Democratic Republic of Illinois".

    Meanwhile back in Springfield, the the budget has not been passed, Electric Rate "Reform" is not finished, and CTA/RTA fiasco is a clear demonstration of what will happen when the government takes over health care.
     
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    Warrants

    Were any warrants issued to send the police out to question these people?

    Woody
     
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    Why would a warrant be necessary?
     
  25. jselvy

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    Wouldn't a warrant be necessary for the police to detain you for questioning?

    OTH If they are willing to dispense with the First amendment, ignore the second amendment, they probably won't have much respect for they fourth, fifth, ninth, tenth, and fourteenth amendments.

    Jefferson
     
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