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Anti-hunting gun owners

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Leanwolf, Apr 3, 2007.

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  1. Leanwolf

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    I have seen before on some of these THR threads, and just today -- a thread here on "celebrity gunowners" -- that some of the members here who own a firearm(s), claim they are "anti-hunting."

    Given their statements, I wonder if they also support, or endorse the efforts of the anti-hunting groups, who crusade to ban hunting here in the United States??

    If it were put to a vote, would THR anti-hunters vote to ban hunting?

    Just wondering, considering that the various anti-hunting organizations with which I'm familiar, also strongly endorse "gun control."

    L.W.
     
  2. Axman

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    I'm sure there is a difference between anti-hunting and anti-gun. I've known shooters who don't like hunting but don't support any anti-hunting .org's! Then there may be some shooters out there who just can't stand the idea behind hunting and would never harm an animal. I too am curious if there are anyone out there that is specifically anti-hunting to the point where they don't even like others who hunt.
     
  3. Professor K

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    I'm anti "sport" hunting. Like just going and blasting prairie dogs or rabbits without eating them. I guess hunting for the skin/fur is OK, but I do prefer the whole "eat what you kill" thing. If you dont want to eat it, then dont kill it.
     
  4. HuntCast

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    Well, if the whole "United We Stand" movement we have all been talking about is real, and not just hot air....... EVERY THR member should be pro hunting, even if they don't partake in the past time themselves.
    And BTW......... anti-sport hunting is just like being anti-sport shooting, when it comes to defending hunting against the bad guys.
     
  5. jerkface11

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    You mean we have to eat all those coyotes now? :barf:
     
  6. Bazooka Joe71

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    +1 for that...

    Granted, I don't live on a farm where curtain animals are harmful to my profits, but I personally have never shot an animal I didn't eat.

    Although I once beat an opossum to death w/ a baseball bat for trying to attack my buddy's cat:D
     
  7. JesseL

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    Every time someone trots out the "United We Stand" rhetoric, you can bet they want you to come stand with them.

    I'm a hunter and firearms enthusiast, but while I see the right to own individual arms as an inalienable and fundamental right that we all should support, I see more room for reasonable people to disagree about hunting.

    There are lots of interest groups with a strong overlap with the RKBA movement, but it's silly to think all the gunnies come together and form a consensus on every other issue in the name of solidarity.
     
  8. ReadyontheRight

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    What about mice and rats in your house? Bugs?

    I agree with your statement if the animal is either edible or not a pest, but prairie dogs ruin fields for cattle and coyotes kill domestic animals.

    Is it more ethical to kill them with poison or traps than to use them for target practice and a quick death?
     
  9. noops

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    I'm not anti-hunting per se, but I only own firearms for defensive purposes and political beliefs. So while I'm not against it, I don't actively do anything to support it. The United We Stand stuff is over the top for me. I've never been hunting and don't really want to go. Again, not because I'm against it. It just doesn't interest me. I'd just rather ride my motorcycle on a windy scary road. As such, I don't expect everyone to be pro motorcycle. I just expect them to allow me the individual and personal liberty of my choices.

    Noops
     
  10. Geno

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    People who are anti-blast-the-varmints would feel different if they stood beside their $100,000 tractor with a broken axle...an axle that broke when the tractor dropped into a ground hog's hole. Too, they can destroy extraordinary amount of crops. That's money out of my family's pocket, and food out of their mouth. Given a choice of a week of my family being without a tractor, and a $10,000.00 bill for repairs, I'll shoot the ground hogs...even if I don't eat them.

    Personally, I am not a trophy hunter...I am a meat hunter. But, I defend others' "right" to hunt what, when, how, for what rationale they so choose. We have too many anti-hunting gun owners, and to many anti AR rifle hunters in society.

    If we don't close ranks, soon, we will be turning in the majority of our arms.
     
  11. 308win

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    A significant reason we have such successes as the repopulation of deer, turkeys, stable or growing waterfowl populations is the conservation efforts of hunters. I don't have any facts to back it up but I bet the percentage of hunters who belong to DU, ***, etc. is higher than the GreensPeace and PETA crowd. About the only thing I hunt anymore are groundhogs and coyotes but that doesn't give me a moral throne from which to condem sportsmen who harvest other game. As long as they are behaving in an ethical and 'sporting' manner I say giter done!
     
  12. Axman

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    It is much like the helmet law debate. I know many motorcyclists who are against helmet laws but always say, "I won't ride with you if you don't wear a helmet yourself!"
     
  13. Gromulin

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    My experience is that there are a lot more "Hunters" that would gladly throw the "Shooters" to the wolves, than vice-versa.

    I don't hunt, but I'm not against it, nor do I do anything to support those that do oppose it.

    I've ran into plenty of 'fudds that think the only reason to own a gun is to hunt and would (and have) supported those who would ban my semi-auto pistol or rifle. The sad thing is that they don't seem to uderstand that their "sniper" rifles are just as vulnerable once the anti's get traction.

    Good luck with that 200 yard shot with iron sights on your muzzle-loader there, Elmer.:D
     
  14. General Geoff

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    I think my post may have spurred this topic.


    To put it in no uncertain terms, I have no interest in hunting. I don't hold anything against those who do hunt, but I don't endorse it either.

    To each his own.
     
  15. Titan6

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    Anti-hunter progun? That is a rare animal.

    Sure, I hunt but I owned guns long before I started hunting.

    Pest control? Great, mow down them cayou (and no I won't eat them)

    Praire Dog Town Masakers? Nope I can think of better way to spend my time and ammo

    Trophy hunting? Don't like it. IMHO it is a little childish....

    Should any of it be banned? Well..... hunting an animal to extinction is idiotic in most cases. If proper game management were possible I would say no bans are needed but since it often not some hunting needs to be limited. I would like to have a planet to leave to my kids and all...
     
  16. MassMark

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    Anti Anti?

    I can only say that my ani-hunting stance is a personal choice. At 23, I simply made a choice not to intentionally kill anything anymore - this after hunting since I was 7. Other than ticks and mosquitos, I've held to it. Since then I gut-hooked a Bluefish while fishing once and cooked it on the grill that night - catch and release fishing is hard with Bluefish.... ;)

    I just decided that unless I was starving, or in a survival situation, or lost my job and had to feed my family, that my connection with nature should be taken to a different plane. Now I hunt with my Nikon F5 and let the deer live another day. While hunting, I always felt connected with nature - it was one of the things I loved about it. Now when I'm in the woods, that connection seems to be more entrenched. Watching a bear meander accross a field, or a deer bounding through the sugar maples means more to me, now that I'm not killing them. Again - personal choice. I guess I just saw the life drain out of too many living things to want to see it happen through my actions. Sitting on Chief's Island in the Okavango Delta and watching a kudu being killed by lions felt somehow more intimate and satisfying to me than erasing that kudu with a rifle.

    That being said, I'm also a landowner and in my grandfather's memory, let others use my land for hunting. I support hunting and it's traditions - to a sharp point. I draw my own personal line at sport hunting. By that I clairify - caged hunts, trophy hunts and exotic hunts. Sorry, shooting a lion chained to a tree in Waco Texas, or killing animals just for kicks, loses something in the translation for me....Hunters like that in my eyes are an abomination.
     
  17. cbsbyte

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    I have never hunted in my life, and don't plan too. I personally don't have a issue with hunting for meat. And will support people do to so if that is the way they want to provide for their family. My issue is with sport hunting where one kills an animal for a trophy. It just saddens me that people enjoy kill these beatiful creatures for a trophy.
     
  18. Kali Endgame

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    Never been hunting, but I go varmint shooting. The owner of the ranch I shoot on has two options, let people like me shoot the squirrels or poison them. Poison is a nasty way to die and an indiscriminate killer as well. The guy can't afford the poison and I do it for free.

    Never felt the need to go hunting with a grocery store down the road.
     
  19. GRB

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    I hunt, and I consider myself pro-hunting, and pro-guns. Yet, I usually only hunt for something I will eat (sure I'll take a trophy from a deer if I am lucky enough to get one, but I'll eat the venison too). That is how I prefer to hunt. Still though, I have nothing against trophy hunting or varmint hunting. As for trophy hunting, those guys usually pass up shots that I would think are the shot of a lifetime, to wait for something better. Sometimes they shoot nothing for a few seasons, because they are awaiting the monster buck or whatever. As to varmints, I have shot a few of them over the years for pest control. I see nothing wrong with it when others do it within legal limits set by the states. I see no reason to have to eat a porcupine, a rat, a prairie dog, a woodchuck, a coyote that someone shoots to rid their land of varmints. I am kind of against shooting animals just for the sake of killing something, and I have seen plenty of people, who are in my opinion jerks, who get quite excited by doing just that.

    I see quite a distinction between a hunter and a killer. The thrill of a good hunt is not in the kill alone; in fact most of it is in the hard work coming to a good end, kill or no kill. The thrill of shooting sitting ducks, or the like, is usually in the act of the kill for the twisted person who does not believe in the fair hunt, and the ethics of a huntsman. Yes I am against that type of so called hunting, just as I am against poaching. In order for a hunt to be ethical, there should be some end in sight beyond just killing. In fact all of the animal, or as much as is reasonable, should be used after the kill. This does not mean you have to eat a porcupine. What is does mean is that if you bag a trophy buck for a trophy, you should make an effort to use the meat. Either eat it yourself, give it to a friend, give it to a homeless shelter (many such places take deer meat during the season).

    There is quite the difference between hunting ethics and shooting or gun owning ethics; but each interest comes with an ethical way of doing things as opposed to an irresponsible way of doing them. As hunters, firearms enthusiasts, sportsman, we should try to remember this and we should try to support one another as much as possible because our interests are very closely at least indirectly. One thing we can all be certain of, is that the extremists see us as a group of one, and they would certainly like to divide us as Zumbo recently did. Divide and conquer is a very practical way of achieving an end to your enemies - and we as shooters, gun collectors, hunters, and the like are the enemies of the antigun and anti-hunting crowds. So even if you don't see yourself as ever being a hunter, you can support the right to hunt. Even if you hunt with bow and arrows, and never see yourself picking up a gun, you can support the right to keep and bear arms of all types. We rally need to support one another in this fight for our freedoms, because you see, that is what the antis are against, they are anti-freedom for anyone who would disagree with them when it comes right down to it.

    All the best,
    Glenn B
     
  20. Larry Ashcraft

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    Trophy hunting is pretty much a myth made up by anti-hunters, and it seems to be working.

    Here in Colorado, wasting game meat is a felony, and I'm sure many other states have the same laws. And ask H&Hhunter about "trophy hunting" in Africa. It doesn't exist. Protein is simply not wasted over there.

    Sad to see the gun people so easily divided over a myth made up by anti-hunters. I thought we were smarter than that.
     
  21. budney

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    I do prefer the whole "eat what you kill" thing.
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    Me too. I always tell people that's why I wouldn't shoot a human being. They taste horrible. :evil:

    --Len.
     
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    Well, the Buddha taught that harming another living being is extremely bad karma, so I don't. If you choose to, though, that's your choice- it's not my place to forbid you from doing so.
     
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    Not anti-hunting per se. Don't do it, though - too much time and expense, not enough returns to suit me.
    Do varmint shooting on occasions. Snakes and armadilloes - and birds on rare occassions. Snakes are snakes. Armadilloes are more industrious than the Army Corps of Engineers. Tear flowerbeds to shreds. Birds - the ones that try to do a hostile takeover of birdhouses they ain't meant for (sparrows, mostly).

    Now, when it comes to killing bigger critters (with the exception of people) I think you ought to eat what you kill.

    You want to hunt, go right ahead, and more power to you. All that I ask is that you'd follow the four rules (sure of target and beyond, primarily).
     
  24. glockman19

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    I have guns and can't wait to go hunting for my first time. While I'm not interested in deer hunting even though I love venison, I had a family of deer living in my backyard for a time and just can't kill such a beautiful creature.

    Now that that's said I could easily and am looking forward to hunting Wild boar. Love pork, and don't have any feelings toward a hairy tusky big pig. I'll shoot cyote, cougar, mountain lion even though I love cats and dogs and I won't eat any of them. I'd also like to bag a black & brown bear for the wall & a rug.:)

    After that I'm done. unless I'm hungry...then all bets are off. man needs food and I'm not a vegan.:rolleyes:

    I'm not into birds but would also like to hunt/shoot a turkey. Do you hunt chicken? or just catch them, break the neck and pluck the feathers?:confused:
     
  25. wooderson

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    I don't have an ounce of respect for people who ENJOY killing of any kind. If you're out shooting prairie dogs because you have to in order to keep your farm going, shoot away. If you hunt to put meat on the table, good for you.

    If, on the other hand, you go out with some buddies to shoot prairie dogs because you get off on it... I can't really say I'd choose to associate with you.

    As to the 'myth of trophy-hunting' - whether meat is wasted or not, the reason many animals are killed is so that someone can hang a rack up on the wall. That's not a myth. (Which isn't even to get into my feelings on the 'hide-put out food-blast away' school of hunting.)

    Should hunting, even the kinds I dislike, be outlawed? God no.
     
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