Any 9mm drilled and tapped for weaver rail?

[TennJed]

I recently put a Bushnell Trophy red dot on my Ruger MKIII. It was already drilled and tapped for a rail. I am really liking the fun plinking it provides.

This may be a dumb question, but Are there any 9mms that would have a similar set up? I know you can add the bulky ones to the slide if you drill and tap it, but I do not want to alter a gun that badly. My first instinct is the movement of the slide on a centerfire would be too much and that there may not be any because of that, but I see that removing the back sight and replacing with a red dot is becoming popular so I don't know

 

[CZ9shooter]

On some guns you can get an optic that fits into the dovetail slot for the rear sight.

Other wise, people will drill and tap the frame and add a bracket that wraps around and up and over the slide to add almost any kind of sight. Image search for "race gun," you will see what I mean. Then there are a small number of high end factory pistols that come tapped and ready for this.

I have no direct experiance, but in the case of mounting directly to the slide, I would imagine that a very high quality opitcal sight would be required.

 

[newfalguy101]

For the most part, on auto pistols the scope mounts are attached to the frame, not the slide.

I don't know, about 9mm, but, there is a Witness pistol that is set-up from the factory as a ready made race gun, or used to be at any rate.

Kinda spendy for a plinker I would think though, after looking on Zanders website, I do NOT see one in 9mm just 40 and 45

 

[Sam1911]

I don't think you'd want to put that scope on the reciprocating slide of a conventional auto pistol.

The slide mounted red-dots like the RMR are the most popular option these days.

http://www.trijicon.com/na_en/products/product1.php?id=RMR
http://www.leupold.com/tactical/scopes/deltapoint-reflex-sights/

Glock and S&W make factory guns set up for them:



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[CZ9shooter]

Unless money is of no concern, expense is probably gonna be an issue. The only guys I see with red dots on 9mm's are those that take competitive shooting quite seriously. Too much investment for just putting holes in pop cans.

 

[TennJed]

I don't think you'd want to put that scope on the reciprocating slide of a conventional auto pistol.

The slide mounted red-dots like the RMR are the most popular option these days.

http://www.trijicon.com/na_en/products/product1.php?id=RMR
http://www.leupold.com/tactical/scopes/deltapoint-reflex-sights/

Glock and S&W make factory guns set up for them:



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Is there something in the design of those red dots that make it better for a reciprocating slide than a set up like below, or is it just that there was never much need for a weaver rail being added to a centerfire semi, so they are not made (but in theroy would work)?

 

[TennJed]

Unless money is of no concern, expense is probably gonna be an issue. The only guys I see with red dots on 9mm's are those that take competitive shooting quite seriously. Too much investment for just putting holes in pop cans.

That is why I was wondering if there was a gun set up like my Ruger MK. That makes it easy and cheap to pop cans

 

[GarySTL]

I believe there's a Burris Fast Fire 3 mount for the Springfield XD.

 

[newfalguy101]

Is there something in the design of those red dots that make it better for a reciprocating slide than a set up like below, or is it just that there was never much need for a weaver rail being added to a centerfire semi, so they are not made (but in theroy would work)?

I would think the added mass of a set-up like what is on your Ruger would play havoc with the delicate balance of weight to spring pressure on an auto that uses a conventional slide.


As an aside, just to be clear, there is no slide on your Ruger, the scope mount is attached to the receiver.

 

[TennJed]

I would think the added mass of a set-up like what is on your Ruger would play havoc with the delicate balance of weight to spring pressure on an auto that uses a conventional slide.


As an aside, just to be clear, there is no slide on your Ruger, the scope mount is attached to the receiver.

True it is not on the slide, which is why I compared the set up to the rear sight red dots you see on centerfire slides. I guess there is probably not enough of a market for it, but I wouldn't think just a rail like on the Ruger would not add significant weight. You could mount a smaller red dot like the rear sight ones Sam1911 posted, just do it on a rail and not have to remove the sights.

That is what I was wondering if anyone actually makes them.

 

[Sam1911]

Well, you would want to keep down the amount of weight you're adding to the slide, and I know that even the RMR style dots take quite a pounding when mounted on the slide. Some last for a while. Some (of the same model) get replaced often. I don't think a more traditional red-dot would hold up to the double-recoil pounding of being on a moving slide slamming back and slamming forward on every shot.

As for the rail? I don't know. Never seen one.

 

[Walkalong]

You can put an Weigand mount on a 1911 fairly easily. It sure does help old eyes. I bought a mount that clamped to the rail on my XDm 9MM, but it wouldn't hold tight under recoil. Bummer.

A .38 Super with a 9MM barrel.

 

[TennJed]

Thanks guys, probably going to look at a Revolver for some fun plinking with a red dot, since it would be easier to do. I already have a S&W 617 I could doo, but again I want a centerfire round.

Does anyone know if Taurus/Rossi/Charter Arms makes a 4" or 6" 38sp or 357 that is drilled an tapped?

 

[strambo]

Yes, a frame mount to then mount a cheaper RDS. Or, a small RDS like an RMR or the Leupold, but you have to get a quality one, the slide will batter a cheapie to death fairly quickly I would imagine.

 

[Jim Watson]

A lot of bullseye shooters use tube type red dots on the slides of their wad guns.
Why do you object to a row of holes that will be covered by the mount?

The various dovetail adaptors set the already tall sights higher yet. The better RMR installations are milled down as far into the slide as they can without interfering with the firing pin. It matters.

 

[TennJed]

A lot of bullseye shooters use tube type red dots on the slides of their wad guns.
Why do you object to a row of holes that will be covered by the mount?

The various dovetail adaptors set the already tall sights higher yet. The better RMR installations are milled down as far into the slide as they can without interfering with the firing pin. It matters.

I don't really want to make a permanent change to the gun. I am not going to shoot bullseye or competition, just tin cans around the farm. I figure drilling holes in the side of the frame would lower resale value if I ever wanted to trade or sale, or at the very least make it more difficult to find the right person that wanted that set up.

This would not be something I want to dump a lot of money in a high end red dot or a gun smith. Just a something like my $100 bushnell I already have. If I could find a gun already scope ready for under $500 I have a gun I could sell (or trade) to get it.

Just a plinker gun

 

[Urban_Redneck]

ALG Defense introduced a mount for Glock pistols, I believe it uses the rail and existing frame pins and installs in 6 seconds.




http://youtu.be/q3YBJMkcTQg?t=15m29s

 

[TennJed]

thanks for that link on the glock

 

[Walkalong]

I wish they made one for the XDm. I would buy it in a heartbeat.

Hint hint ALG.