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Any American citizens of hispanic/latino background here?

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Keith Wheeler, Aug 29, 2006.

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  1. Keith Wheeler

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    If so, does the more violent rhetoric of some anti-immigrant folks give you cause for concern?

    I would be interested in how the current political "crisis" surrounding border issues is affecting your life. Have you altered your lifestyle? Chosen perhaps to obtain a concealed carry permit when you didn't before?
     
  2. cassandrasdaddy

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    i'm japanese and irish

    but apparently look latino. enough so that folks come up to me on the street and speak spanish to me. i had an ins guy get real nasty and then jump back when i got in his face.i'm waiting for some over aggresive minuteman member to press his luck.
    it does give me a perspective on how latinos are treated.
     
  3. Sawdust

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    Please identify these "anti-immigrant" folk of whom you speak.

    I am aware of a growing anti-ILLEGAL immigrant movement, but not aware of any violent rhetoric regarding LEGAL immigrants.

    So, again, exactly who are these people about which you are "speaking"? :scrutiny:

    Sawdust
     
  4. ForeignDude

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    Yo! Right Here!

    Nah, the rhetoric doesn't scare me or cause me concern.

    For the most part, it's simply frustration with the politicians. These folks have got as much of a right to spout off as anyone else -- it is America, after all...;)

    As for the radical few who would want to take it beyond the rhetoric [and the ballot box]-- well -- that's why I'm a gun-owning Latino. :fire:
     
  5. pax

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    Friend of mine married a into a third-generation Mexican immigrant family (eg, the great-grandpa moved here legally, years and years ago). My friend is blond and caucasian, but his kids have the beautiful satin-brown skin and dark hair that is their heritage.

    I was with them one afteroon at the mall. His youngest kid, age 13, was wearing a "born in the USA" tee shirt, walking ahead of us by himself.

    Shopkeeper saw the kid, read the tee shirt, and then cussed the kid out. Told the kid his mamma should have stayed in Mexico "where she belonged."

    Disgusting.

    But funny, in a disquieting sort of way. The poor kid's mom doesn't even speak Spanish. Heh.

    pax
     
  6. Keith Wheeler

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    The kind Pax just mentioned. The folks who say they are only against "illegals" and then assume that anyone of hispanic ethnicity MUST be illegal, or at the very least doesn't deserve to be an American citizen.
     
  7. cassandrasdaddy

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    shoot i hitched

    across the usa in 72 and 73 as a kid and saw signs that said no indians.i thought that was real funny. had a few nasty things yelled at me and some beer cans on saturday nite. brave folk all i was 15 weighed about 105. the nasty ones do get bold in groups or the dark
     
  8. GhostRider66

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    I am half-quarter-quarter but 100% American. My mom is a naturalized American from Mexico. My dad is German-Irish from Oregon. I am a mutt and as loyal as any you'll find. Also, both my parents stressed the importance of education. Hence, I am completely fluent (and literate) in both languages. I also learned Czech, Slovak and Russian in the Army. I absolutely despise illegal immigration (despite being a screaming libertarian). My mom came here legally and followed every step until citizenship. I have rejected my own flesh and blood asking for illegal assitance with migration from Mexico. I will assist them with any legal process and pray for the best but never will I help them cheat. I would consider that treasonous.
     
  9. Barbara

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    Not Mexican but the child of an immigrant and the grandchild of three immigrants.
     
  10. longeyes

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    You're right to decry ethnic and racial prejudice. But I assume you apply that to ALL groups, including the Aztlan-type radicals that were in dramatic evidence marching in the streets of my home city not so long ago.

    I don't know why you choose to put "crisis" in quotation marks. Does that mean you consider five million people illegally trespassing a year just business as usual?

    Here's what I see: This country is sliding, inexorably, toward a race war that could be bloodier than anything we've seen since 1865. For me that qualifies as a "crisis."
     
  11. Phetro

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    Little correction there...they actually have no right to even be here, so spouting off...well sure they have a right to. In their own respective countries.
     
  12. Cousin Mike

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    I'm black. My live-in girlfriend of 4.5 years is of Mexican descent. 4th generation - her family's been in Ohio for 3 of those generations. I notice when we go out sometimes, certain places, the white guys sometimes (rarely) give us a look - until they hear she speaks english just like anyone else who was born here. She's not fluent in spanish, and doesn't have an accent. But we have had a big influx of illegals here in Columbus in the past few years.

    FWIW, I'd rather deal with the white dudes anyday compared to the looks the mexican guys give us... Always illegals, of course. Some of these guys can be very disrespectful - they make little smart-assed remarks in spanish, and in general seem to have a staring problem when it comes to mexican women. Takes quite an effort sometimes to refrain from beating some manners into some of these guys. :banghead: My girlfriend's decision to carry was made because a Mexican guy tried to force his way into her car. Luckily for her, she always locks all of her doors. Luckily for that bastard, I wasn't there. :fire:

    For clarity, we have never had a problem with any of the American latino/a's we've met.

    Also, my girlfriend doesn't feel any different about illegal aliens than any of us do. To be honest, she probably has stronger feelings on the issue - given that her family came here legally and became Americans. The economical issues are especially upsetting to us. I'm currently trying to find more stable work in the construction trades - need I say more?

    Also, the ones we seem to see around here aren't the nicest people in the world. No complaints about the women, and when we travel it's not nearly as bad. But here in Columbus, a lot of the illegal-type males seem to walk around in groups, itching for a fight. There's also the crime element... Lots of crime recently amongst the illegal Mexicans, and Columbus has a high Somali population as well. The west side of Columbus is where a lot of the immigrants live, and word is that the Mexicans and the Somali's aren't getting along too well.

    We're starting to feel some tension. :scrutiny:

    How has it changed our lives? I don't really know that it has. We live about as far as it's possible to live from the west side and it's problems, but there are a lot of illegals on the north and east sides as well now. A lot of other people we know are getting sick of the way they act. It's not even so much legal/illegal for me as it is the way that the illegals act, towards us, in person... As for the violent rhetoric, we dont worry about it so much for now. When the Klan starts dramatically increasing in membership, and brown people are being attacked in the streets at random, maybe things will change - I don't know if I see that happening. What we really wish is that the government would start acting like we actually have a border, and start taking care of this problem.

    As a black man, well... let's just say my people have been here for a pretty long time. We all know American history, so I'll spare the lecture, but our experience here (blacks) ain't always been the best, and we've worked hard as Americans (all of us, together) to try and change things. Her family has been here for the better part of the last 100 years, and struggled to be successful people like any other immigrant family has. I think you'd have a hard time sticking the charge that we are just racists who don't like Mexicans. :D

    Neither one of us is happy about the illegal situation in this country. And things like the recent marches and walk-outs, MS-13, and our personal experiences aren't making things any better. I'm not worried about white folks rioting in the streets, or the minutemen being crazy vigilantes. I'm worried about what's going to happen to this country if we don't get this situation under control. We've got enough problems already.
     
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    @Phetro

    For many of them, their countries don't recognize the right to freedom of speech.

    As for our country, the Declaration of Independence explicity states:

    i.e. those rights are not given by government, the government only has the power to recognize and help uphold those rights, which are inalienable.


    It's fine to debate the cultural and economic effects of different types of immigration, but I personally am not willing to sell out the vision of the Founding Fathers just to fit my personal prejudices.

    -MV
     
  14. Keith Wheeler

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    Yep. "The only place the far right and far left hold hands is around the neck of the Jew."

    I put crisis in quotes because I'm just not sure what to call this situation. I think in some ways, like the "race war" you're talking about, things don't have to be a crisis, but are indeed being pushed that way. I mean, if the anti-"illegals" aren't primarily motivated by race, why would this lead to a "race war"?

    Here's what I see:
    1) broken border control
    2) broken immigration and/or "guest worker" laws
    3) broken business control
    4) broken economic situations (which are the heart of all of this anyway)
    5) broken concern for non-American human lives
    6) lack of a realistic plan to deal with millions already here
    7) tremendous subsurface racism in otherwise "mainstream" America
     
  15. MechAg94

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    I don't like Illegal immigration, I wouldn't mind increasing legal immigration at all.

    I work with a guy who has a wife who immigrated from Venezuela. They met in Venezuela when he worked down there. He has to keep a lawyer on standby and go to regular meetings with an immigraiton official. The govt draggs them around the system when she came over legally, yet they turn a blind eye to Illegal immigration. It pisses both of them off. She says she flew into the US, she didn't swim. :)
     
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    I have a friend who has lived in this country since he was a child/teenager. He came over from Cuba during the early Castro years, and was here legally as a resident alien and has worked hard to become a naturalized citizen (which he did a few years ago).

    He also struggled to bring his father here legally and is now working hard to get him naturalized as well.

    As with what some others have said, he is very upset over the current situation and talks of amnesty. He knows just as well as any other what it can be like outside this country and still worked within the constraints of our government and did things legally.
     
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    And to show who is really violating who watch this. This woman was forced by police to walk through the throng of illegal alien supporters. She was thrown to the ground hit and assaulted. Tough? Who should be getting CCW permits? This is not about anti Hispanics, but it is people who are tired of law breakers and will not back down no matter how violent they become towards those who speak up against their tactics. SILENCE is not an option, unless you are also hiring illegals to do work and putting Americans out of work....you know who you are.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWxpNmudmoE
     
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    And although this was minor compared to what happened to some other peoples cars(smashed windows, spray painted doors with the words "f*ck you" and flat tires) but it shows which way the violence is coming.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZNagtPCRYc
     
  20. Phetro

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    You are correct indeed. My point was that they have no right to be here, therefore no right to do anything here. They have a right to free speech, and if their countries don't recognize that right, they need to go back and change their countries, not drag ours down to the same level.
    Perhaps the fact that 95% of the illegals are indeed of a certain race, are very conscious of that fact, and would be more than willing to subvert this nation and its laws, by force, under the uniting factor of that race. You can pretend this isn't the situation all you wish, but it is. You can condemn others for refusing to be blinded to the reality of the situation, but that won't change the reality.
     
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    there is a big difference between a citizen and someone who enters illegal.

    I tend to get along with many people regardless,friends to me are because of similar hobbies (shooting-music) or what ever despite ethnic background.

    I will say that at work and area (Miami) when I answer the phone many times someone starts talking spanish off the bat and is surprised when they find I dont speak it...though I do a little but on the phone its hard to.

    the other day a customer came to me (and Im blued eyed blondish white) and started speaking spanish to me like I must speak it fluent.

    In my employment in several job areas over time people have been hired and only spanish...these days some that dont speak english.

    When the Elian Gonzalez saga happened my work closed to protest,last memorial day the management said we should stay open to work.....priority?...honoring memorial day and those who paid a ultimate price is not worth observing?

    so I say this not being mad about it but the fact is no matter how well I get along with people after a while Ive felt out of place.

    I make a better colada coffee than my hispanic friends though lol!

    The bad things happening in South and Central America have changed south Florida.

    as far as the Mexican issue like I said there is a difference between wanting to be a part of America and using it to just finacially better folks back in Mexico.
     
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    I'm white, but I'm adopting a Latino child very soon now. I'm kind of nervous about dealing with racist rednecks as he grows up, especially since I've never really had to deal with it exactly from that perspective. I will enjoy breaking stereotypes, but I hope I don't have to break too many noses.
     
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    Thats the truth, you hit the nail on the head. The Mexican culture in general brings up men to treat women like objects, treating them like dirt. Wife-beating is an accepted thing in most hispanic cultures. Alot of what those people accept as "normal" would be considered sexual harassment and assault by American standards.

    An ex-girlfiend of mine, whom I am still good friends with, grew up in El Paso, TX. She's of Mexican decent, her grandparents LEGALLY moved to the USA. She is very good looking, and very much "Americanized" in her dress/fashion and overall appearance. Out and about in public, its very disturbing to see how Mexican men look at her, make comments, and harass her. And they are even worse when they see that she is hanging around non-Mexicans.
     
  24. lionking

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    scromp anybody regardless of their ethnic background can be racist.

    speaking of the Elian Gonzalez saga again.The whites and the blacks banded together on the highway to protest....rebel flags waving and signs saying" one less Cuban,one million more to go".On any other day those whites and blacks would have been cursing eack other but not that day.Amazing to see blacks protesting on the side of rebel flags waving....it was a sad sight.

    but then there was the hispanics with their own signs :F you gringo" and such,flags upside down....

    sometimes I wonder what keeps this country together.
     
  25. scromp

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    lionking: sure, but it's rednecks I'm surrounded by. :)
     
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