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Any Anti-Gun laws passed under Bush?

Discussion in 'Legal' started by gulogulo1970, Aug 6, 2004.

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  1. gulogulo1970

    gulogulo1970 Member

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    Here is my question. Has any new federal laws banning guns or restricting guns been passed under George W. Bush? I can't think of any. And with the AWB looking like it won't be renewed, hasn't this been a pretty good presidental term for gun owners?
     
  2. Chipperman

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    We have Congress to thank more than GWB for that.
     
  3. Bartholomew Roberts

    Bartholomew Roberts Moderator Emeritus

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    Bush signed the bill continuing the non-existent plastic gun ban. Some consider this ban on guns that don't yet exist to be anti-gun legislation.

    On the other hand, he also has done this for gun owners:

    1. UN Small Arms Restrictions blocked by US

    2. Attorney General declares Second Amendment is individual right - reverses 35 years of previous Justice Department doctrine on the matter.

    3. Attorney General refuses to allow legitimate purchase of NICS data to be used for fishing expedition - Ashcroft stops grabbers from sifting through NICS data of legitimate purchasers to look for "terrorists".

    4. Ashcroft changes NICS data holding from 90 days to 1 day - NICS data on legitimate purchases will now be purged from the system in a single day as the law intended rather than being held onto for 90 days per Clinton policy

    5. Bush supports and will sign lawsuit preemption bill

    6. Bush ends taxpayer funding of useless HUD gun buybacks

    7. Signs bill arming air line pilots.Signs bill closing loophole that prevented cargo pilots from being armed

    8. Signed the appropriations bill containing the Tiahrt Amendment that protects gunowner privacy by making item #4 the law of the land.

    9. Gets chance to have several things he claims to support (lawsuit preemption, gunshow background checks, semi-auto ban) on a single bill. Sends letter to Congress asking them to consider only lawsuit preemption.

    10. Partially repeals Clinton ban on import of some semi-auto firearm parts instituted in Summer of 2000 to allow import of parts for repair purposes. Doesn't repeal any Executive Orders relating to guns instituted by previous Presidents.
     
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    GW is the leader of the Republican party. If any anti-gun law were to get through Congress, he or Rove would already have discussed it with Friske or Hastert or DeLay.

    Think that hasn't already happened?
     
  6. Waitone

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    Bart's summary is excellent. It is quite helpful to see everything in one place.

    That said, other than maybe # 10, Bush has rolled back nothing. Everything he has done has been at the executive level where he does not have to mess with congress IN SPITE OF THE FACT HIS PARTY CONTROLS BOTH HOUSES OF SAID CONGRESS. The issue is Bush will fight for nothing, period. He will not exercise leadership on domestic issues. He wants to be everthing to everyone and stand for nothing.

    The second amendment has gotten attention from Bush because he would not be president without us. He wants to avoid p*ssing us off, yet hasn't got the guts to stand up for us.

    I'll take what I can get but I want rollback activity.
     
  7. Brett Bellmore

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    Regarding 5, 7, and 8,, it doesn't mean anything that he signed, or promised to sign, those bills. HE SIGNS EVERYTHING. Nearly four years now, and he hasn't vetoed one bill. It's some kind of conditioned reflex, I think. He'd sign the cleaning lady's grocery list, if she left it on his desk.
     
  8. gulogulo1970

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    Yeah, the good about Bush and gun control is he takes no action for gun control. And the bad about Bush and supporting gun rights is he takes no action supporting gun rights. Quite the leader, I know. But after 8 years of Clinton and almost 4 more for Gore, I have to say that this is a tiny blip in the right direction. Well, only if the AWB goes away. If it dosen't, we are at a stalemate.

    That being said, do you reward the Republican party in November for not hurting you?
     
  9. Zundfolge

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    Yup ... along with every other pro gun and anti gun law ever passed.
     
  10. Shooter 2.5

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    We don't have a majority of gun rights politicians in the Senate. However, sunsetting the AWB is a roll back no matter what you call it. It's the hard work of the Republicans in the Congress who accomplished it.

    If you want the trend to continue, we have to re-elect Bush and add more gun rights Senators by voting a straight Republican ballot.

    If kerry wins, we'll see more gun legislation intoduced as we did during the clinton years. It will start with closing the so-called gunshow loophole and expanding the AWB to include all semi-automatics. It will continue to include banning the manufacure of any "dumb" guns which haven't a list of safety features.

    By 2008, National Registration will be a reality.
     
  11. Bartholomew Roberts

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    I've got to agree with Shooter 2.5 on this one - without a majority of pro-gun candidates in Congress (we have 52 in the Senate who think the current silly cosmetic ban is a good idea), we cannot hope to repeal any legislation - even though we did get lucky with the Tiahrt Amendment and get some protections added.

    However, we have multiple Senate elections this November where the F-rated anti-gun Senator is retiring. In at least two of them, the Republicans have nominated GOA A-rated candidates to run for that seat. This is our chance to put our money where our mouth is and send the Republicans a clear message that pro-gun rights candidates are what it takes to get elected.

    With a pro-gun Senate and pro-gun House, a President who signs whatever is put before him is just as good as a pro-gun President.
     
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    There's the rub.

    And, signing the Campaign Finance Alien And Sedition Act was a big no no in my book. No ads from the NRA within 60 days of the election. You'll have to rely on Jennings/Brokaw/Couric/Rather to get the 'truth' about guns ;) Sound good to ya?
     
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    With regard to the point that Bush hasn't vetoed any bills: this was also true to some extent of Wisconsin's former governor, Tommy Thompson. He had an implicit agreement with the Republican legislative leadership that no bill would be passed that he could be overriden on.

    I hate "Campaign Finance Reform," I'm ticked about the prescription drug boondoggle, the Patriot Act, and numerous other bills Bush has signed.

    However, I'm sure that no bill gets through the Senate or House that GW hasn't already given the green light to.
     
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    I have to disagree, simply because in some cases:

    -The Republican candidate is not as pro-RKBA as the Democrat.

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    -Both the Dem and Rep are on our side, in which case it really doesn't matter.
     
  15. Shooter 2.5

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    SodiumBenzoate, wake the hell up.
    The Republican Party is the pro-gun Party. They are the ones delivering on the AWB sunset. The dems have Schumer, Kennedy, kery, hitlery, Boxer and Feinstein.
    By electing RINO's as a last resort we keep control over the Senate and the House. By electing Bush with a straight Republican Ballot we can add more pro-gun Senators and Congressman.
    If you want to keep your gun Rights, you get rid of the dems. It's pure and simple.
    Unless you're a gunowner in name only.
     
  16. Zundfolge

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    The problem with that thinking is that you forget that the "pro-RKBA Democrat" is not beholden to the RKBA movement, he is beholden to the DNC.


    Some of the biggest crusaders for gun control used to be pro-RKBA Democrats (Al Gore comes to mind ... he also used to be pro life at one time ... but if he wanted a future as a Democrat he had to "get in line" with the party)


    Also, it doesn't matter so much whether Bush is pro-RKBA or not, he is surrounded by many pro-RKBA Republicans ... Kerry will NOT have a single pro-RKBA Democrat in his administration ... probably won't let them anywhere within 500 yards of himself either.



    The Democrats have occasional "purges" where they get rid of their more conservative members (Ben Campbell left the party for the GOP during one of these ... I expect Joe Liberman to jump ship or retire soon because the DNC is moving away from him much like the DNC moved away from Reagan in the '60s).
     
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    Bartholomew Roberts
    "
    7. Signs bill arming air line pilots.Signs bill closing loophole that prevented cargo pilots from being armed
    "

    Neglects to mention the more important information; July 2001 rescinded FAA regulation in place since the Cuban Missile Crisis that specifically allowed pilots to be armed.
     
  18. orionengnr

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    Really?

    Post #17.

    Rescussitating a thread from 2004? :rolleyes:

    Get real.
     
  19. Cosmoline

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    Let's do the time warp again...
     
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    Um......ok?
     
  21. Tim the student

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    At this point in time, who cares? Are we going to debate the merits of his presidency?

    How do these crazy old threads even get found anyways? :confused:
     
  22. Jorg Nysgerrig

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    I know Alberta might be a little behind the times, but this seems a strange post to revive. I'm going to lock it lest we be inundated with mullets and parachute pants.

    I guess you could say the reviver was just "Lucky". ;)
     
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