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Any California THR members open carrying?

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  1. Kimber45acp

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    I just found out that yes you CAN open carry in CA as long as it's unloaded. Amazingly, a loaded mag can be in your pocket :eek:

    http://www.mercurynews.com/top-stories/ci_14241180?nclick_check=1

    Years ago I lived in the east bay, and after all of the anti gun laws in CA, which really got going in the late 80s and 90s, I can't believe I'm saying this, but there's an open carry movement in California. These guys have some serious stones. The article says it started in so cal :what:
     
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    If people are open carrying in CA i will come down and join them!

    for some reason i doubt too many people can walk the streets of Los Angeles open carrying and not be harrased by civilians and LE!
     
  4. wishin

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    If you're doing it to make a statement, then wear a nicely pressed pair of pants with a button down shirt and tie....no combat boots. Minimizes the chances of being hassled. profiling is a fact of life, no matter what the media and politically correct crowd say.:eek:
     
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    In CA, it's UOC (Unloaded Open Carry).
    But, you can have loaded magazines/speedloaders while carrying, as long as they are not attached to the firearm. [PC 12031(g)]
    In CA, you can open carry a loaded handgun, in areas where it is legal to discharge a firearm.

    CA law also allows a LEO to check to see if the handgun in loaded. Refusal to allow a LEO to check is grounds for arrest. [PC 12031(e)]

    Also, it seems the main thing people UOCing in CA seem to get in trouble for are school zones.
    You can not legally UOC while in a Gun Free School Zone (school property + 1000 feet).
    So, you need to be mindfull of all the school zones in the area you plan on UOCing.



    Penal Code 12031
    (a)(1) A person is guilty of carrying a loaded firearm when he or she carries a loaded firearm on his or her person or in a vehicle while in any public place or on any public street in an incorporated city or in any public place or on any public street in a prohibited area of unincorporated territory.
    (e) In order to determine whether or not a firearm is loaded for the purpose of enforcing this section, peace officers are authorized to examine any firearm carried by anyone on his or her person or in a vehicle while in any public place or on any public street in an incorporated city or prohibited area of an unincorporated territory. Refusal to allow a peace officer to inspect a firearm pursuant to this section constitutes probable cause for arrest for violation of this section.
    (f) As used in this section, "prohibited area" means any place where it is unlawful to discharge a weapon.
    (g) A firearm shall be deemed to be loaded for the purposes of this section when there is an unexpended cartridge or shell, consisting of a case that holds a charge of powder and a bullet or shot, in, or attached in any manner to, the firearm, including, but not limited to, in the firing chamber, magazine, or clip thereof attached to the firearm; except that a muzzle-loader firearm shall be deemed to be loaded when it is capped or primed and has a powder charge and ball or shot in the barrel or cylinder.
     
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    Racisim is the reason why open carry is the way it is in CA.

    It use to be legal to open carry a loaded firearm anywhere in CA.
    But, during the late-1960s, when minorites started to exercise their rights by open carrying, the CA legislature passed the Mulford Act, which restricted the where & when you could carry/possess a loaded firearm.
     
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    I'd be willing to bet that if there was a group of criminals called "The White Panthers" who declared themselves at war with the US... showed up at the state capital building with rifles and shotguns, some people might have a problem with that and would be more willing to vote for a law that banned carrying loaded firearms (I wouldn't be one of them of course). Heck, some people flip out even over one guy of any race open carrying. I'm not debating whether or not what they did was right or wrong, I'm just saying it's a bit of a stretch to over simplify it and declare it plain racism.
     
  8. NavyLCDR

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    Just plain racism is the basis for many "Jim Crow" firearms laws in many states. I think you confused the statement by Quiet "Racisim is the reason why open carry is the way it is in CA" to mean it is the current reason - what he is saying is that these laws were passed when racism WAS the basis for many laws.

    Look at most of the "may issue" firearms permit laws in which the county sheriff makes the sole decision whether someone can carry, and in some cases even purchase, a firearm and see when the were enacted.

    Now these laws just happen to appeal to the anti-gun folks (who are also "racist", by the way, discriminating against those of us with the RKBA guaranteed by the Constitution) so they are not repealed despite their true racist origins.
     
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    I think understand what he meant. I'm not talking about current events. I believe he was referring to the Mulford Act passed after the Black Panthers incident in 1967. We're not talking about laws in general, we're talking about one specific law that has a direct effect on open carry in CA to this very day.

    I do believe that racism certainly had a role in some gun control laws being passed in the US. Do I believe that the Mulford Act was purely racist? Probably not. I think it's more of a knee jerk reaction to a highly publicized incident involving guns. Reactionary moonbats cry out for more gun control laws every time there's an incident involving guns. As I said before, I think the Mulford Act would have seen the light of day if it were the "White Panthers" instead.
     
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    If anyone knows of anyone who proudly open carries in CA please publicize this.

    Its one thing to be following the law and its another to get shot by a police officer who doesn't know the law

    I've spent many years in CA and never heard of anyone that open carries
     
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    Without making a spectacle of themselves, I know a lot of folks here who carry a firearm in plain sight (laying on the car seat) in their vehicle and keep a mag in their pocket. Walking around most populated areas UOC brings a lot of attention to you.
     
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    What a wonderful reason to stop standing up for your rights.

    Good thing African Americans didn't have the same attitude in the 1960's or they'd still be riding in the back of busses going to their seperate schools.

    After all, it's one thing to peaceably assemble, but it's another to have bricks thrown at you while marching in a parade.
     
  13. Kimber45acp

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    And who signed that unconstitutional ban? The same guy who signed the unconstitutional 1986 ban, and the same guy who supported the 1994 ban. I want to see a newbie get surprised at who it was that supported all these gun bans.
     
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    What's interesting is the various county attorneys' suggested LEO responses to a citizen open carrying, including approaching with drawn weapons, handcuffing and generally creating a mountain out of a molehill in the name of publicly embarrassing the citizen. In fairness, not all California county attorneys are quite as rabid; some policies are quite reasonable.

    The problem is California's laws are set up in such a way that openly carrying a weapon is a treated as a primary cause to stop a person. It should be a secondary cause (i.e., the stop is made for another reason and the weapon check is incidental). As it is now, it's an open incitement to many LEOs.

    It would be nice to see the laws changed, but considering it is California, any change is likely to be for the worse. Look at the new laws passed recently.

    I assume Kimber45acp is referring to Ronald Reagan. It's not surprising; Nixon once said he wished all guns could be abolished, Ford was in favor of "reasonable, responsible gun control," George H.W. Bush issued an Executive Order banning the importation of dozens of military-style weapons and our most recent encounter with the Bush family said he would sign a renewal of the Assault Weapons ban if it came to his desk. He was also in favor of raising the age at which young people could have a gun.
     
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    I've been thinking of doing this for a long time now. Thanks for the links to the statues and whatnot. I'm probably gonna call my local Sheriff today and get his interpretation of the laws and any local ordinances to be aware of. Since I'm in NorCal it's not as tough as SoCal in regards to LEO's beinng more wary of illegal (gang) activity.
    As everywhere there are good cops, bad cops, smart cops and not-so-smart cops. Keeping a copy of the most current statute, highlighted in yellow for the important parts, and full compliance with any officers that may approach you seems to be the best way to use and protect my 2A rights.
    Doing a little research and homework goes a long way so you don't surrender your rights instead of exercising them.
     
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    Correct me if I am wrong but I believe that you can open carry loaded in CA in counties that have a population of under 25k or something like that. Rural areas like northern California? Anybody know anything about this?
     
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    school zones

    In order to "carry" (*) in a CA School Zone, your best option is to have the handgun unloaded, in a locked case; a loaded magazine can be in the LOCKED case with it.

    Correct me if I am wrong.
    C-

    (*) kind of begs the definition of "carry"; since its locked up! But you will at least have it with you and not unattended in a car 1000 feet away.
     
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    Currently when I go to CA for business I keep an unloaded glock 19 and a loaded 10 round mag locked in a small flimsy case that I can easily rip open with my bare hands if need be. Fits in my laptop bag and it can go most places I go. In hotels its cocked and locked.
     
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    Hmmm.......Open carrying a unloaded pistol in Cali?:confused:

    Unless your hypothetical killer of the future has the firearm reflexes of a retard, How pray tell me Do you plan on inserting a magazine & chambering a round before he blows you away?


    I ain't trying to offend any of yall that do, I suppose you gotta do what you gotta do.....BUT, I am genuinely curious about a effective draw technique used that can overcome the overwhelming odds against you.....
     
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    When the sheriff of your county won't issue you a carry permit, it's all that is available. It's better than nothing. Maybe only slightly better. Hopefully the bad guy doesn't know the law and will assume the gun is loaded and move on.
     
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    10 times better than the odds against you if you're completely unarmed, maybe even more.
     
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    Yes, Sadly in California only convicted felons or those who are soon to be convicted felons are allowed to carry loaded and concealed: uzis, sawed off shotguns, full auto Ak 47s, and grenades.
     
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    cleetus03 said:
    Well, let's see. Time to load, chamber, and fire a round: 2 seconds. Time for the Police to arrive: 11 minutes (average response time for a "code 3" response where I live).

    Hmmmm. 2 seconds or 11 minutes. Decisions, decisions.
     
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    Source: http://www.californiaopencarry.org/faq.html
     
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    Go to an IPSC match...

    You will be amazed at how fast a pistol can be loaded and made ready to fire with practice.

    Now some of you will point out that at the IPSC match the pistol is already drawn and the player must simply replace the magazine. True.

    But drawing a pistol can take 1/2 second or less with practice. No mag to drop. Insert mag which gets pulled with the left hand while drawing with the right. Rack slide and commence firing. The Israeli police are not allowed to have a round chambered in their pistols while on duty. They've got to draw and rack. They do that pretty fast too.

    It's all about adjusting to your particular situation and practicing.

    In a perfect world practicing a draw, insert mag, rack slide process wouldn't be necessary but then we all know that kommiefornicatya is far from being a perfect world.
     
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