Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by trekker73, Aug 4, 2022.
But I liked it when I had it, a thumper with a good deal less recoil than a 45/70 loaded to achieve 444 Marlin velocities.
That bullet was most accurate in my rifle at the time and I was falling out of love with .429-.430 caliber so I walked away from it.
Nonetheless, it was a lightning bolt on deer up to 250 yds. It’s a good elk cartridge with carefully selected bullets. For most normal situations it gives up nothing to the 45-70. It only loses ground to the 45-70 when bullets over 350 gr are used.
It's like they know when I'm bringing the Trip4.
Took a few deer with it but went back to the old Ruger simply because I never needed the additional range the 444 Marlin gave me over the 44 Magnum. Still have the rifle and I was loading for it. Now at 72 I no longer hunt so that rifle and several other hunting rifles just sits in the safe. I did like the cartridge and it was good where cartridge meets game and terrain. I guess it's a matter of intended application and if for hunting the terrain. The 444 Marlin is a hell of a thumper.
. Beginning to think he may never sell it to me, and I can't recall the last time I saw a used one for sale.
I don't know that I love it, but I like it pretty good.
If you get one I bet you’ll like it.
Total speculation on my part, but I think it would be cool.
@earlthegoat2, I prefer the 265 Hornady bullets. Matter of fact it was from one of his posts that I learned they were discontinued. When shoot them up, I’ve thought about parting with the .444.
If you're not shooting bullets 265 gr or heavier you might as well just use a 44 magnum. Marlin planned on discontinuing the 444 when they reintroduced the 45-70 back in 1972. In fact for a while they didn't make many, or even any for several years. The 240 gr pistol bullets they used really didn't offer anything over a 44 mag.
But when better bullets came out interest in the 444 picked up. A friend of mine has one of the originals from 1964, but I skipped right over 444 for 45-70. It can be loaded with lighter bullets and do anything 444 will do or loaded much hotter.
I really think the 444 Marlin was another one of those cartridges that are thrown at a wall, to see if it sticks. Surely Marlin would have done better if they chambered their rifle in 348 Winchester, or 358 Winchester. But those cartridges have the name "Winchester", and there were probably money making licensing agreements that Marlin made with the 444 Marlin.
Surely more Marlins have been made in 45/70 than in 444 Marlin. A 45/70 can be uploaded in modern rifles, just below 458 Win Magnum levels. I think loading anything to 458 Win Mag levels is nuts, as the recoil is horrible!
45-70 will get to about 85% of 458 win mag energies in a ruger no.1, impressive but not sure if that is just below. Same difference as 30-06 to 300 win mag.
Eighty five percent of the recoil is enough for me! Especially in a lightweight lever action. That's got to hurt.
Thinking of plugging the mag to make a single shot for Illinois deer season starting in 2023.
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