Any news about SIG's expected Aug 14th P320 announcement?

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kudos to sig. they are making it right with no questions asked.

still wish someone would drop-test it with a wooden dowel wedged between the back of the trigger and the trigger guard. no sense in replacing the trigger if that is not the problem.

murf
 
Well that seems pretty straight forward and fair.

I'm going to submit mine this evening when I get home. I have to say that SIG is handling it pretty well.

While it wasn't a safety issue, I always thought Beretta not paying for the Pico upgrade was a bit shady. SIG seems to be going all in with this.
 
I was trying to get mine sent in before you got home from work, Just kidding :)

Google is not finding it yet either.
 
The above link explained the program and had the serial number entry point to begin the sign-up process. I would not be surprised to find that the sign-up process was overwhelmed.
 
While they are doing the right thing, they still insist on sticking to the lie that the gun is "safe" in its current state.

As per this morning's post on Sig's site:

Is my P320 safe in its current configuration?
Yes. The P320 meets and exceeds all US safety standards. However, mechanical safeties are designed to augment, not replace safe handling practices. Careless and improper handling of any firearm can result in an unintentional discharge.​
 
As per this morning's post on Sig's site:

Is my P320 safe in its current configuration?
Yes. The P320 meets and exceeds all US safety standards. However, mechanical safeties are designed to augment, not replace safe handling practices. Careless and improper handling of any firearm can result in an unintentional discharge.
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Can't really disagree with this statement, but what they have left out is that this episode has proven that the "US safety standards" they are exceeding have now been proven to be inadequate. Like when an amateur discovers a comet, the professionals should be thankful and then do their work without trying to weasel word their way out. I suspect their entire response has been largely driven by "advice from legal consul".

To me its kind of like with my blood borne pathogen AIDs training, your risk of catching it depends on the exact mode of exposure running from about 1 in 400 to 1 in 10000 depending on the method of exposure (based on my memory from when I last had the training about five years ago, I'm sure Google could find you current numbers). So the risk of your P320 firing when dropped depends on exactly how it hits the ground, is 1 in 400, or 1 in 10000 low enough to not take precautions and get the repair?
 
Careless and improper handling of any firearm can result in an unintentional discharge.
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That might makes sense on a gun designed to only be used on a commercial firing range under controlled conditions. This gun was just selected to be used in combat under chaotic conditions where guns are going to be dropped or much worse. There is no excuse for building a gun that fires with no trigger pull.

Remington is still using that line too and from a legal standpoint they have to. If they ever admit there is a safety issue they open the door to bigger settlements in a lawsuit. But if they call it an upgrade to an already safe gun that is different.
 
Good on them, though I agree their lawyer speak FAQ is a load of crap. Dropping it at the correct angle is not nearly as difficult as they say.

That said, they are fixing it and on we move.
 
Filled in my form. Said they will be Emailing me a pre-paid return shipping label. They are doing the right thing and get my Kudos for it! Overall I think the time scale of handling the whole situation has been pretty reasonable.

still wish someone would drop-test it with a wooden dowel wedged between the back of the trigger and the trigger guard. no sense in replacing the trigger if that is not the problem.
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Its a two point failure, at the right angle the mass of the trigger moves just enough to deactivate the firing pin block and the impact at the rear of the slide jars the striker off the sear. Apparently at other angles (clearly the ones in industry standard tests) either the trigger doesn't move enough to deactivate the firing pin block, or the striker is not jarred loose.
 
Is my P320 safe in its current configuration?
Yes. The P320 meets and exceeds all US safety standards. However, mechanical safeties are designed to augment, not replace safe handling practices. Careless and improper handling of any firearm can result in an unintentional discharge.
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And, I don't know what safety standards they are talking about. If it is a Government regulation, which Government regulation? If it is a Government regulation, if they don't like what is written, they get their Government Representatives, that is Congressmen and Senators, to tell agencies to re write the standards and keep their campaign contributors happy.

If it is an Industry standard, then so what, the standard they wrote is inadequate. It is total BS to leave the impression that they are not responsible for accidents because they have met standards that fail in the real world. In one way or another, they wrote the standards.

What this shows is the Psychopathic nature of Corporations. They are never at fault, it is always someone else's fault. In this case, they are blaming the standard. Bad, bad standard. They are such victims because the standard (they wrote) is inadequate. So they are not at fault for anything, because any accidents that happen are all due to the standard.

Just tell that to the Cop who got shot when his Industry standard pistol fell out of his holster.:

Wounded Stamford cop sues gun manufacturer

http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/pol...amford-cop-sues-gun-manufacturer-11750213.php
 
wally said:
Can't really disagree with this statement, but what they have left out is that this episode has proven that the "US safety standards" they are exceeding have now been proven to be inadequate. Like when an amateur discovers a comet, the professionals should be thankful and then do their work without trying to weasel word their way out. I suspect their entire response has been largely driven by "advice from legal consul".

To me its kind of like with my blood borne pathogen AIDs training, your risk of catching it depends on the exact mode of exposure running from about 1 in 400 to 1 in 10000 depending on the method of exposure (based on my memory from when I last had the training about five years ago, I'm sure Google could find you current numbers). So the risk of your P320 firing when dropped depends on exactly how it hits the ground, is 1 in 400, or 1 in 10000 low enough to not take precautions and get the repair?
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wally said:
Filled in my form. Said they will be Emailing me a pre-paid return shipping label. They are doing the right thing and get my Kudos for it! Overall I think the time scale of handling the whole situation has been pretty reasonable.


Its a two point failure, at the right angle the mass of the trigger moves just enough to deactivate the firing pin block and the impact at the rear of the slide jars the striker off the sear. Apparently at other angles (clearly the ones in industry standard tests) either the trigger doesn't move enough to deactivate the firing pin block, or the striker is not jarred loose.
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i was under the impression that the sig internals are a bit different as the disconnector (sear, or whatever you call it) moves in the opposite direction of the trigger. maybe this test moves this part and not the trigger. just a thought.

murf
 
jdmb03 said:
SIG said all serial numbers are affected but yet they still call it voluntary.
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While you may find it hard to believe, their are many knowledgeable, as opposed to casual, users who have no intention of sending their 320s in to be upgraded.

They have them setup the way they want and don't see the need to make them more resistant to discharge when dropped a certain way
 
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They have them setup the way they want and don't see the need to make them more resistant to discharge when dropped a certain way...
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'Tis to be hoped that such persons will carry and use their pistols only when they are out of gunshot range of people who do see the need to make firearms resistant to discharging when dropped. ;)
 
9mmepiphany said:
While you may find it hard to believe, their are many knowledgeable, as opposed to casual, users who have no intention of sending their 320s in to be upgraded.

They have them setup the way they want and don't see the need to make them more resistant to discharge when dropped a certain way
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Are these knowledgeable users drop testing thier guns after modifications?
 
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Before too long there are going to be a lot of 320s floating around with some unusual wear marks and dinged up rear ends.
 
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