Any tips for shooting mouse guns a bit more accurately?

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i use my one handed shooting techniques from sport shooting.

Exactly! When I use both hands and really try to aim, I suck. When i go one handed, and in a fighting stance groups are better for some reason.

The p3at has quite a kick to the bugger.
 
I have a P3AT also. I've found that the mag extension, bright paint on the front site, and more pointing - less aiming works for me. It's hard not to anticipate the rather painful kick of the thing but practice helps.
 
With the lcp I shoot one handed and shoot acceptable (6" or so) groups at 12 yards. Like Firstshot said more pointing than aiming. Seems like when I really try to aim it messes up my shots.
 
OK - not trying to start a flame war, but the term "mouse gun" is a bit unclear to me. Some hold that size is the determining factor where as others use calibre. I am not even going there...

I have two, .32 calibre guns. One is a North American Arms Guardian, and the other is a Walther PP. I really like the Walther (8+1) nine shot capability. It is as accurate as any of my larger frame/larger calibre guns, and is a lot easier to conceal and carry (my opinion). I like it!!! Out to 25 yards it does what it is supposed to - 10 yards or less is pure fun. The gun is a lot more accurate than I am capable of shooting, and I and I am a fairly good shot.

The North American Arms is a close range proposition - sights are not the best, but since a lot of people have them taken off, I don't think they were intended it to be a tack driver. 5-7 yards, 3-4 inch groups are respectable, for a defensive situation.

Why would I want the smaller less accurate gun - peace of mind, when discreet carry is the order of the day. Bottom line, some guns were never intended for competition shooting.
 
I sold off my mouse guns, except for my Ortgies 7,65 m/m. What a beautiful little gun it is. But the sights are indeed TINY. They work, and it shoots accurately, but mouse guns are for pocket carry and for up close and personal situations in the men's room, not for blasting badguys molesting the cheerleaders all the way down the football field. Practice point and shoot, not benchrest shooting with the little thing. Even though that can be gratifying.
 
So the problems hampering putting shots on target in a nice neat grouping with mouse guns would be...

Small or no sights (hard to align quickly because they are hard to see)

Oversized or too generalized sights (too big for precise alignment, or in the case of gutter sights, too generalized - see fixed sights)

Fixed sights (POA does not necessarily equal POI and so the sights are to just give you a basic idea of the area in which the round will impact, not the spot)

Short sight radius (alignment must be more precise than on longer sight radius guns. The shorter the sight radius, the more errors in alignment are increased at the point of impact. A 1/64" sight alignment error on a 2.5" sight radius gun produces twice the error of a 1/64" error in a 5" sight radius gun)

Nasty trigger pull (many mouse guns are DOA with no safeties and hence have very long and heavy trigger pulls. Some single actions like NAA mini revolvers have stiff and mushy trigger pulls)

Hand-grip incompatibility (grip too short and/or too small of a circumference. As such, getting a proper and consistent grip is difficult. Being able to hold the gun securely such that it doesn't hop around in the hand with recoil is difficult or impossible. In otherwords, fast and accurate followup shots can be difficult)

Unpleasant recoil (as noted, several models are not overly friendly to the shooter when it comes to recoil and so shooters develop a flinch or opt to not practice with the guns because practice rapidly becomes unpleasant)

Crude Accuracy (given the intended use, mouse gun tolerances usually are not such that even if shot properly that you can expect to get very good accuracy. You aren't likely to get 4" group at 25 yards [the orignal 1911 standard for combat accuracy as I recall]

I have probably missed a couple of other things as well. However, most of the problems with mouse guns are ergonomic issues where the design parameters appear to be more focussed on concealability and not shootability.
 
I think we've all missed something important to group shooters - use lower recoil ammo.

Blasting away with extended amounts of defensive carry hollowpoints is ok to get used to it - even necessary. But if you want tighter groups, do what range shooters do: use ammo loaded for less recoil. Less recoil = equals more accuracy. Your sights drift less and reacquiring a target is easier.

The perceived impact and noise levels go down, there is less flinch, less opportunity to wear out grip, and the whole shooting experience becomes more positive. You shoot better, and get better. Win-win.

Cowboy action shooting does it, as does international target. Shoot ammo that's configured for the use - we do it for CCW, do it for the range.
 
I think we've all missed something important to group shooters - use lower recoil ammo

In theory this is a great idea and one I adhere to when shooting higher power guns. If it works in your smaller mouse guns, then definitely go for it.

However, my KelTec is VERY finicky with ammo. It will only shoot Speer Gold Dot reliably. The cheaper lower powered ammo will NOT feed reliably. So, basically I shoot the Gold Dot and that's it. But this is not a range gun by any means, so I don't put 200 rounds through it at a setting anyway.
 
But this is not a range gun by any means, so I don't put 200 rounds through it at a setting anyway.

Which is the real point - a belly gun just needs to hit a pie plate under stress at 6 ft.
 
First, tie it down,(shoot from a stationary base) and make sure it will shoot the pattern you want. You might have to shoot some differnet ammo to find the one that gives the best performance. Walmart bucket of bullets is not gonna work as well as the high dollar defense loads.

Second, hire an nra certified instructor to watch for any flaws you have.

That should get you on track and bunching them up.
 
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