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Any Underhammer Shooters?

Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by KenHulme, Mar 17, 2012.

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  1. KenHulme

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    Or is everyone here a CW gun buff or wheeliegun fan?
     
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    Not at the present time, but I have in the past. One issue with regular side-lock guns is slow ignition which can cause your shot to go off if you don't hold very carefully and follow through while keeping a sight picture as a ball or bullet goes down the bore.

    An underhammer may look strange, but ignition is quicker and that can make a difference. I beat a fair number of folks at target shooting who didn't know this. :evil:
     
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    HUnter58, is that pistol a Baumkircher or a Dedinski? I think the proportions are a little off for the Feinwerkbau.
     
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    It's a Baumkircher. I puchased this one before I had seen Tilo Dedinski's line. His offerings are very nice an balance well.
     
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    let's try this again...
     
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    I do most of my elk hunting with an H&A underhammer in .50 but I have a TC Renegade in the truck in .54 for backup.
     
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    mine is a .58, with a Tasco scope, now wearing Malcolm scope mounts with repeatable adjustments.The original mount on the scope was a crude wheel, with no markings, but with the Malcolm rings and mount, everything is marked, and you can easily return exactly to an earlier setting, in both windage and elevation, which is the key to accuracy.
     
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    This is a .45 that I shoot.
     
  11. KenHulme

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    Decades ago, the first time I was 'into' black powder, my first rifle was the HA .45 Target model with no forearm. Ended up selling it. I had a fitrst edition of Logan's Underhammer book and lusted after making (acquiring was out of the question money wise - still is) one of my own. Fast Forward 40 years and I'm retired and with even less income than 'back in the day'. But I recently decide that it was time to do something about my own underhammer.

    I've been fascinated by the Cooper "slaplock" simplicity since I first saw it - trigger and a flat spring. The one drawback that I saw was that pulling back on that stiff trigger has got to affect accuracy. I've also been fascinated by Buggy Rifles or Pistol-Carbines -- a pistol with a reasonably long barrel and a detachable shoulder stock.

    So now I'm in the process of making my own .32 cal Cooper Buggy Rifle. The barrel will be 13/16" octagon, 12", attached to be pistol grip by a through-bolt breech screw. The shoulder stock will be a triangular wooden frame of dowel and flat stock. The flat spring will be two lengths of 1/16" or 3/32" music wire held in parallel with steel "end caps" that become the attachment to the barrel and the hammer head. The stock will be my own laminate of different exotic woods, in the "Florida" shape with the pointed butt (what can I say, I live in Florida). I took a pattern to a local welding/fabrication shop for them to make ring triggers on a trigger plate. I'm getting quotes for multiples, and will undoubtedly be offering action "kits" in the not too distant future.

    Pictures to come as the project proceeds.
     
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    .36 H&A underhammer.
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    I've got four Baumkircher guns myself. His triggers are fantastic.
     
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    Baumkircher makes beautiful underhammers, it's true. But that's why I'm building my own - mine may not end up as pretty, but it will cost a LOT less than $2200/1100EU for the low-end model!
     
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    I shoot an old H & A underhammer made in the 70s.
    I've got the matching pistol too.
    Both in .45.
    Too much fun!
    --Dawg
     
  16. Pete D.

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    Yep. Got this one from Bob Worthington at Greyhaven Arms:
    50 cal.: Underhammer2.jpg

    Pete
     
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    I wish I could find one of the H&A underhammer pistols. Shoulda, woulda, coulda bought one back in the day!

    I like that Greyhaven pistol too, Pete. When I win the lottery....

    Living aboard a 26ft sailboat, I just don't have the space or tools to do much in the way of metalworking, not to mention lack of experience in tempering springs and other metal working, etc. I may however try hacksawing some sort of action from flat stock and using OTS springs.
     
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    To be perfectly honest, I've never even seen an underhammer like that. Might be because I'm not into black powder guns, but I'll admit that those are pretty awesome!!
     
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    Underhammer pistols and rifles with a variety of actions were very popular in the 1825-1850 period, particularly in New England and across to Ohio.
     
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    Read an article once that speculated that John Browning (JMB's father) made under hammer guns even after moving to Ogden. THe pictured suspect pistol had a grip frame much like this custom gun.

    Didn't Lyman sell an underhamer pistol that was basically a section of barrel with a breech plug forward of a section cut out for the action and a wooden grip bolted on? Might have been someone else but it always seemed to me to be a project one might do with an old barrel section and non specialiazed tools. Hammer spring would be a pain for me if the trigger guard type were used. Wonder how other spring set ups are put together?

    -kBob
     
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    The company in question was Numrich Arms, not Lyman. They (the guns) were inexpensive and in the hands of a good shooter often won matches where other competitors were using much more expensive rifles or pistols.

    The only other spring was a small, coil trigger spring. The lockwork consisted of a hammer, trigger and two pins. The trigger guard acted as the hammer spring. You can't get less expensive or simple then that.
     
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    Here's the ultimately simplistic underhammer action - trigger and spring - by JR Cooper:

    http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/kenhulme/CooperCopy.jpg

    This action is similar to what I'm building. My spring, instead of a single bar, is a pair of music wires held in parallel to each other...

    I've spoken to Rod, who will be emailing me some photos, of what he has on hand, later today.
     
  24. Pete D.

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    That describes the lock on the Greyhaven. Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication.

    Pete
     
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    I shoot the big underhammer guns both roundball and slug.

    RL Morris 3 barrel set
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    One set up at the shooting bench, 60 caliber RB
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    My Big Gun, 69 caliber, projectile weight 1785 grains (1/4 lb) 250-350 grains of FFG. Gun weight is 75 Lbs, made by Bresien
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