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Anybody Ever See One of These???

Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by coop923, Oct 19, 2009.

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  1. coop923

    coop923 Member

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    Does anyone have or know anything about this? I don't know too much about it, but it seems I remember seeing some sort of write up on it back maybe in the early 90s; or maybe it was something in the Dixie Gun Works catalog back then. I'd appreciate any information or help that any of you may be able to give me.

    Thanks,
    -Mark

    Left side of the barrel reads: BLACK POWDER ONLY CAL.44 MADE IN ITALY

    Right side reads: DIXIE GUN WORKS, INC

    Top of barrel reads: ARMI SAN MARCO GARDONE, V.T

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  2. Ratdog68

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    Never seen anything like that !!! Inktristink lookin' thing though. I guess that's one way to do up a single shot.
     
  3. Oyeboten

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    .44...Single Shot...Percussion...Target Pistol.


    I like it!


    Grip and Trigger Guard look like 1stor 2nd Dragoon...


    Might just be a 'Tack Driver'...
     
  4. Smokin_Gun

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    I think it was called a Scout maybe ... it's a breaktop is it?
     
  5. coop923

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    Seems like I remember reading something like "hunting muzzleloading handgun" but it's been a long time and I couldn't say for sure. I'm not even sure that what I'm remembering is for this gun.
     
  6. coop923

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    It doesn't break open, however if you remove the front set screw on the bottom, the flat lug under the barrel can be pulled out, then the barrel can be removed.
     
  7. whosyrdaddy

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    Marketed by Dixie as "Tingle Trophy Winner". Apparently, an Italian copy of Bob Tingle's target pistol.

    CVA marketed it as the "Prospector".

    Palmetto made a version with full target grips and fully adjustable sights and trigger. It came with a wood fore stock and the screw configuration differs from the others as well. It was imported by Richland Arms of Blissfield, MI.

    Here are some links that may be of interest to you.

    http://www.thehighroad.us/showthread.php?t=403109

    and

    http://rockislandauction.com/view_item.aspx?aid=1013&iid=235038

    Hope this helps
     
  8. arcticap

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    Deer Creek [765-525-6181] listed that pistol in their 2006 catalog as the CVA Prospector for $149.
     
  9. BHP FAN

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    Very cool.
     
  10. coop923

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    Thanks for the input. It's in good shape and seems pretty sturdy, but what do you think a safe load would be? It's probably designed to shoot lubed .440 balls, right? There's no literature with the gun.
     
  11. arcticap

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    The CVA Prospector was listed as being a .44 caliber and bare balls are not usually fired from a rifled barrel.
    That means that it will shoot several different sizes of round balls that are loaded along with a lubed patch of the appropriate thickness.

    A ball is usually selected that's .010 under bore diameter along with either a .010 or .015 lubed patch.
    The .429 cast round ball is about right and is available from Track of the Wolf.

    http://www.trackofthewolf.com/(S(bq...es/tableList.aspx?catID=2&subID=25&styleID=58

    A .433 or .424 round ball can also work but a different patch thicknesses might be needed to fill in the rifling grooves and provide the best fit.
    A .005, .007 and maybe a .010 lubed patch should work with the .433 ball.
    An .018 and maybe a .015 lubed patch should work with the .424 ball.

    A starting load of powder would be about 20-25 grains of "fffg or P" pistol powder using a volumetric measure. The powder charge can be increased in 5 grain increments all of the way up to 50 grains or more until the performance is satisfactory, but you probably wouldn't want to load over 40 grains of powder anyway.
     
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  12. coop923

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    Thanks very much articap; very helpful information! Now I have a direction to work in.
     
  13. cane

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    I had one of the original Tingle pistols, it came with a detachable stock and 2 barrels, both .40 cal. All you had to do to change the barrel was loosen a set screw, the breech plug and nipple in on the back of the barrel. My pistol had a wooden forearm.
     
  14. arcticap

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    If possible, you might want to double check on the land to land bore diameter with calipers just to make sure that it's .44 caliber as advertised in the Deer Creek catalog.
    Since it's not a revolver, their .44 caliber designation doesn't usually ever apply to single shot pistols that are .45 caliber.
    In other words, with revolvers .44 means ~.45 caliber, but with single shot pistols .44 actually means that it's .44 caliber. :)
     
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    There's been several of those for sale on the auction sites over the past couple months.

    Palmetto Arms made a version of it as well. (I have two)

    I've never had the opportunity to examine a Tingle in person.

    On the Palmetto version, the bores are very tight for the stated caliber. The 44 cal is a tight, palm bruising fit with 433 balls and .005 patches.

    The 36 caliber actually runs about 350 groove to groove.
     
  16. whosyrdaddy

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    zimmerstutzen:
    Do you have any pics of those that you could post? I have been searching for some to add to my database but they are especially elusive.
     
  17. Digger Odell

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    Coop923
    Perhaps I may be able to help you out with ID. I dug out old Dixie Gun catolog #125 page 82 it listsThe Trophy Winner .44 Single Shot Pistol list $xx.95 also lists Shotgun Pistol barrel:$x2.95. I just thought I might peak your interest leaving the full price out. I only do this to increase your interest. It gives a good full description of both, If you would like this passed on (I'm sure you do) just bear with me as I type very very slow & it has a lot of info. Arn't guns fun. Let me know & I will start typing.
    ...........keep your powder dry.
     
  18. arcticap

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    Someone referred to that model as the CVA Conestoga because of the wagon being engraved on the receiver. It's interesting to hear that the proper name is the Trophy Winner.
    If you would like to pass along the information from the Dixie catalog then it's preserved in the THR archives and others can benefit from it in the future. :)
     
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    I have seem them many moons ago while on one of my visits to Dixie, but never held them. I did think they were intresting, but Dixie has a lot of intresting stuff.
     
  20. Digger Odell

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    arcticap:
    I would be delighted to pass the info on to the THR archives. Being a newbe to the forum I would ask if you would assist me to do this. I know how to start a new link but I'm not sure how to direct to the archives. Do I just find archive heading & click on? I will start to do this tomorrow A.M. as I type very sloooow. Thanking you in advance for your help. Just to give you some info which I will include, the list price for the TROPHY WINNER .44 SINGLE SHOT PISTOL $79.95. SHOTGUN PISTOL BARREL .28 gauge $12.95. I think it's great to pass along helpful info........ :)
     
  21. Digger Odell

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    DIXIE GUN WORKS, INC.
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    TROPHY WINNER .44 SINGLE SHOT PISTOL
    NO. D-E-001 THE TROPHY WINNER .44 SINGLE SHOT PISTOL: This is a trophy winning single shot pistol that will give years of trouble free enjoyment. Each gun has a beautiful casehardened frame that is etched with a western scene on both sides, which really adds to the beauty of this gun. The 10" blued octagon barrel is .44 caliber and has 7 grooves and 7 lands of equal width. Groove to groove diameter mikes .445. Land to land mikes .442. We recommend a .435 ball. Use No. 11 caps on the .245x28 nipple. The fixed
    ramp blade front sight and adjustable rear sight gives a very good sight picture. The weight of this gun is 42 ounces and overall length is 12 3/4". We have test fired this Italian made gun using 125 grains of 3FG powder & three lead balls, and our findings are that it would be unquestionably safe. The convenience of owning this pistol is that we now have a smooth bore shotgun pistol barrel that will interchange with the rifled barrel that is on the pistol. This pistol barrel is listed below. Shipping weight of Trophy Winner is 5 lbs.
    Price ........................$79.95


    NO. D-E-002 SHOTGUN PISTOL BARREL: This is a .28 gauge smooth bore barrel which is 10" long,blued, octagon, brass front sight, and is very simple to install on the Trophy Winner pistol. All that you do is remove two screws in front of the trigger guard, slide the rifled barrel out and insert the shotgun barrel. Takes a .245x28 nipple and No. 11 caps. In loading this barrel, we suggest that you load with 1 3/4 drams of black powder and use old newspaper on top of the powder load at least 3/4" thick, and then a half ounce of shot and place just enough newspaper on top to make sure that the shot will not fall out. Place percussion cap on nipple and the gun is ready to fire. Will make a fine tackle box snake gun while out on a fishing trip or to calm down tomcats on your back fence late at night when they are yowling. Shipping weight 1 lb.
    Price ....................$12.95



    All of the above information is from the DIXIE GUN WORKS, INC. Catalog NO.125, page 82.


    Just want to say THANK YOU to "arcticap" for suggesting to pass this information on to the archives to share with others. .......................
    :) :) :)
     
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  22. arcticap

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    All posts become part of the THR data base which is preserved as an archive.
    That's very interesting & useful information.
    Thanks Digger Odell for posting it. :)
     
  23. CAMPBELL49T

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    Yes I have seen a Tingle 44. I just bought one, it will be here next week. It comes with a 20 gauge barrel. Which I can shoot 62 cal balls. I already have shot cards and 62s. The are for my English Dragoon. So I'm all ready for it. When I get and go out and shoot it. I will post pictures.:D
     
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    I almost bought one of those a few years ago. However the thing that stopped me was knowing how much i was going to spend and what i was going to get. I could easily get another revolver where i can tune and slightly modify it to shoot true and straight with 6 shots. Giving me more shots for my time and more range shooting. Where as if you buy this one i got a nice pistol that looks similar to a revolver but at only 1 shot. Dont get me wrong its a nice gun. However i know i can tune up a revolver to shoot just as good or even better than this one.
     
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    I got it today

    Here is my Tingle, I got in the mail today.:D Going to the range tomorrow, weather only thing that would stop me. On the left side of the barrel. Made in Italy and Caliber 44. on the top Replica Arms Inc Marietta, Ohio. On the 62 barrel made in Italy, That is all. In front of the trigger guard, Marco, pin. And a shield with a circle above it. Cross rifles in the shield. It is hard to tell they are small. As far as I can tell no date code.








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