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Anybody Ever Turned an Anti?

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Moondancer, Jan 2, 2003.

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  1. Moondancer

    Moondancer Member

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    If so, how?

    I did, once. Long time ago, I had a very good friend fresh from graduatin' college. Big city edge-u-cashun and all, ya know? Wahll, I wuz jes a farm boy livin' out in the wilds, an he wuz this townie kid. (Sorry. Slipped into my down home side there fer a minute!)

    To make a long story short, he came out visiting one Saturday afternoon after months of declaring that handguns should only be used by cops and soldiers, and we went shooting. He had a taste of my Model 19 in both .38 Special and .357 magnum shooting tin cans and glass bottles at the old dump. Didn't say much one way or the other when he left.

    Next weekend, he shows up with a High Standard .22 revolver! A month after that, he gots a shiny new Colt Python! Then it's a Gold Cup! Before ya know it, he's got a damn nice Colt handgun collection and can out-shoot me!

    Grrr. No good deed goes unpunished!

    But now he's a believer, so it was worth it!
     
  2. Ed N.

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    "Ever turned an anti?"
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    Sure. Had to, before I could marry her.
     
  3. Sven

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    My business partner went from a position of total grabber to "I'd like to get a gun myself" after only a few trips to the range.
     
  4. Ed N.

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    Barb had never shot a gun, and still didn't until several years after we were married. In fact she was an NRA member long before she ever fired a gun.

    On maybe our first or second date, the subject came up, and I learned she favored strong gun control.

    Fortunately, though, she was a conservative Republican, intelligent, educated, independant, hard working, successful, etc. She had just never really thought much about the matter before, beyond reading the garbage in the newspaper editorials. That didn't mean she COULDN'T think, she needed a little guidance.

    The whole transformation took about 5 minutes. I said something like, "Who do you consider criminals?"

    "Well, people who break the law," she said.

    "So if you passed a new gun law, wouldn't they just break it, too, especially if they're willing to break laws about armed robbery or murder?"

    "Yeah, I suppose they would."

    "So who WOULD obey the gun laws?" I asked.

    "Anyone who is a good, law abiding citizen."

    "So, then, what you've accomplished is disarming the good guys but NOT the bad guys. Does that make much sense?"

    Her eyes got big, she stared at me for a moment, then the light of realization spread across her face.

    "No! It doesn't! You're right - outlawing guns would be pretty stupid, wouldn't it?"

    I confess I was foolish enough to wait a couple of years to marry her, but I'm delighted that I finally did!
     
  5. Jeff OTMG

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    My latest and most complete transformation was Miss Demeanors. She went from a Rosie following anti to a gun owner.
     
  6. Standing Wolf

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    When I met her, my ex-wife was whole-heartedly in favor of banning all guns. When we went our separate ways—amicably—five years later, she was packing her own .357 magnum. During that same period, she progressed from being a registered Democrat who hardly ever bothered to vote to voting Republican every election. She remained a klutz, a chocoholic, and something of a nitwit, but did pretty well for someone from a nitwitted leftist background.
     
  7. Soap

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    Quite a few actually. But I've had more success with the fence sitters. Interestingly enough, the most responsive group to my pro-freedom preaching has been females 18-23.
     
  8. PATH

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    One or two but I keep on trying.
     
  9. 2dogs

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    Yep, me.

    And like an ex smoker I am one obnoxious pain in the butt pro gun nut.:neener:
     
  10. Shalako

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    Two antis converted thus far. The first and largest hurdle that I encountered was getting them past the notion that "moron" gun owners are going to do something unsafe and kill/injure themselves or others. Before my subject antis ever touched a gun they were made to memorize the Four Rules. Then I explicitly explained to them that at the first breach of any of those rules, we pack it up and go home. No biggie, there's other stuff to do. It is just crucially important to show that safety comes before any aspect of fun, gaining skills, or self defense. After I made them aware of the fact that I was more obsessed with safety than even they, the blissful, could ever possibly imagine, they began to lay down their own framework for trusting themselves and others with guns.

    The rest, so they say, is history....

    :D
    -Shalako
     
  11. Chipperman

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    My Wife. She's a work in progress.

    When I met her, she thought all guns should be outlawed. After being with her for a while, I got her to admit the owning guns was a right. A little while later, I got her to admit that carrying a gun for defense was reasonable. We've come a long way, but we're not finished.

    I've been with her for 10 years, married for 5. I still have not gotten her to shoot a gun, but she lets me have them in the house now. Her biggest fear is that our sons will get at them. So they are all locked in a closet, in a locked safe, with individual trigger locks. Home defense is not an option yet. :(

    I figure in another year or two, I'll get her to the range. Then it's all gonna be gravy! :evil:
     
  12. Nanook

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    I'm <this close< with my wife's sister. For the longest time she would make remarks about the NRA. Blamed most of the shooting crimes in her city (Chicago) on the NRA if you can believe that.

    I casually mentioned that I was in the NRA and had been for decades. She actually looked at my wife and asked if she was afraid because there were guns in the house. My wife said of course not, that I was very careful.

    Over the course of several years I would make mention of various truths, critique things on the 'news' and so forth.

    Finally I got her to check out my safe, and I explained the four rules and let her handle the guns. Once she actually handled a gun or two, she started warming up to the concept. I've invited her to a range once the weather gets better. I explained the history behind some of my milsurp rifles, she was very interested.
    Now she's considering a weapon for home defense but she has the misfortune of living in Chicago which rules out handguns. She was unaware of the situation up til then and was amazed it was like that. Another 'fan' of the mayor. LOL

    I'm working on several others, but this may be my first conversion.
     
  13. spacemanspiff

    spacemanspiff Senior Member

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    i'm slowly beginning to learn that turning an anti either takes too long that it is not an efficient use of my time, or is just a waste of my breath.

    but i did give some of the sheeple a run for their money at the MM forums. got pretty sickening though when even the mods/admins over there started locking down threads that they said were 'off topic', but really they just had no decent way to reply to logic and facts.
     
  14. RAY WOODROW 3RD

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    Yes...........

    Yup. I married her! Now she is an Instructor like myself and we convert them together.........


    The End!!!!!!!!:D
     
  15. a9mmfan

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    I have not sucessfully turned an Anti to a Pro, but I have neutralized several rabidly anti people. Our conversations invaribly came back to their belief that criminals would not be able to obtain guns, if guns were made illegal. I usually reply with a "yeah, sounds great. Maybe we should make horoine and cocaine illegal as well since that's all it takes. As someone in a previous post said, It takes a lot of breath to turn some people around.
     
  16. para.2

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    Two, specifically, my (now) wife, and my brother. Both were stongly of the " Why does anyone NEED a gun like that" ( insert any gun here) persuasion. Took lots of time and energy, and if I didn't care for them both so deeply, I probably would have given up. It shows that it's not hopeless, anyway.
     
  17. Kahr carrier

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    Yep sure have unfortunatly it was after 9/11.:(
     
  18. lilbiggun

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    My parents. I grewup in strict democrat loving house. Mu folks hated guns. After my military stint and moving to alaska my parents started warming up to the ideas of gun ownership. I took my old man out shooting one time and he loved it and now he owns 2 rifles and a pistol. We seen a brown bear one time hiking and now when they visit and we hike, she wont go into the woods unless I have a rifle with me.
    Oh and they even voted for Bush, which shocked the crap out of me.
     
  19. John Galt

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    90% of "anti's" are just stupid, not a real anti. They don't even know they are being led around by the nose. It's our job to educate them. You don't have to really change their minds, just educate them on guns & they will "get a clue".

    More important is to educate the kids and those under 30. Especially women as they are more often ignored.

    Check my web site. Give suggestions to improve it and flesh it out. I'd like to add some sample news ads and some case stories of gun clubs and such making major outreach. Everything possible to help us all duplicate the success of others should be added to the site.

    www.is-lan.com/challenge
     
  20. Don Gwinn

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    Turned my wife. Mother-in-law is a work in progress. She doesn't give me any grief about guns in my house anymore, but she'd never touch one. Gave my father-in-law a start when he introduced me to his "best friend" and his friend talked shooting with me. He would never have believed that good 'ol Sherm would own a gun!
    Of course, if he'd ever let good 'ol Sherm or anybody else get a word in edgewise, he might have found out earlier.
     
  21. Beren

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    I'm not sure if you'd consider this turned, but my girlfriend of a little over one year (crossing the fingers) no longer thinks guns are for dangerous lunatics. She said, and I quote: "Before I dated you, I thought only psychotic morons carried firearms."

    I said: "Dating me has changed your perceptions how, exactly?" :)

    The mother isn't a convert yet. We've had one serious discussion about firearms, and she's of the opinion that only police should be allowed to carry them. She knows that I carry and doesn't like it. When she her daughter if she knew, her daughter said yes. I'd told her (the daughter) about a month after we started dating. Figured she had a right to know. Mother hasn't made an issue of it, however, and I appreciate her willingness to discuss the issue.

    Mother, upon being informed that I owned a Glock: "A Glock!?" (tone tinged with horror) "Those are serious guns!"

    My thoughts: "Um..well, yeah, they're all serious guns."

    My response: "Well, it is black."
     
  22. Jim March

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    Ya, I turned a whole pile of antis once. Clean out of SF General. Last seen heading south on I5 to LA, then they picked up and moved to Chicago for a while, then God only knows.

    Oh. Wait. You mean "changed their minds"? :p
     
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  23. TheeBadOne

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    Once, she married my good friend (a hunter) . Took a while but now he owns more guns than many collector.
     
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    Yep
     
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    We turned a couple at the old Time Magazine Pathfinder boards. I also showed a radio talk show host the error of her ways when I lived in MA. We still correspond and she likes the articles I send her.

    No one changes based on another person's urging. They change when they take time to weigh the evidence placed before them pro and con. If they have a propensity to stubborness in their opinions, there is nothing that will change their minds regardless of what is placed before them. They have to have a willingness to see both sides and make up their own minds rather than follow the drumbeat.
     
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