Anybody Got SIG M17?
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Robbins290
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Not the M17, but picking up a P320c tonight, 421 out the door (after transfer). I never handled a sicg but looking to replace my glock as a CCW weapon.
JR24
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Far as I understand it's just a 320 with a thumb safety and different finish.
Seemed no different when I handled one in the shop, didnt shoot it though.
Just back from shooting one here.
Was wondering about others' experiences with the military version.
I do not like the trigger, or the safety.
No malfunctions, averaged 1 1/2 to 2 1/2 inches for best five-shot groups through seven loads at 25 yards off a rest.
Did I say I don't like the trigger or safety?
Denis
Was wondering about others' experiences with the military version.
I do not like the trigger, or the safety.
No malfunctions, averaged 1 1/2 to 2 1/2 inches for best five-shot groups through seven loads at 25 yards off a rest.
Did I say I don't like the trigger or safety?
Denis
I think the 320 is just fine without the safety. I understand why it was required, but I think it hinders a clean design.
What about the trigger did you not like? I love the smooth metal trigger with its clean break on my 320 over a dingus or hinged trigger. Never shot the M17, but the 320 outshot my Glocks, FNS, and Ruger American in my hands. I like it enough to look hard at the 365 the next time I have money burning a hole.
What about the trigger did you not like? I love the smooth metal trigger with its clean break on my 320 over a dingus or hinged trigger. Never shot the M17, but the 320 outshot my Glocks, FNS, and Ruger American in my hands. I like it enough to look hard at the 365 the next time I have money burning a hole.
8-pound trigger on this one, and I can feel every single pound during the pull. Slightly gritty.
The safety is too small & thin to shoot thumb-on, quite uncomfortable after just three rounds.
Did the rest of the session holding under it.
Denis
The safety is too small & thin to shoot thumb-on, quite uncomfortable after just three rounds.
Did the rest of the session holding under it.
Denis
Old Dog
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I'm a little surprised about the reporting of a "gritty" trigger. Aside from the two P-320s I personally own, I've shot quite a few other 320s for T&E, and the trigger (aside from the good ergonomics) was the one thing that stood out as a positive to me. Frankly, I wouldn't ever probably be using the safety, and the accuracy (at least of the samples I've shot) seems well above-average.
When I carried a 1911, it was with thumb riding safety to prevent accidentally activating it.
I had comfortable extended safeties.
On this SIG, the thing's just too thin & short to comfortably do that, so it has to be thumb-under, which does create a risk, however slight, of inadvertently activating it during fire.
I would not need or want a thumb safety on this pistol, but I do understand that the military required one.
I was surprised at the trigger, it's damn near past my 8-pounds RCBS scale, and it's at least twice as heavy as it should be.
It may be an anomaly, which is why I'm seeking other experience with it here.
Civilian 320s probably aren't relevant.
I'm curious to see if other M17s are showing the same heavy pull.
It might be another military requirement to appease nervous upper management not entirely comfortable with troops toting a pistol with no way to de-cock.
Make the trigger heavy enough to where a soldier would have to make a very deliberate effort to fire it, to avoid ADs.
Denis
I had comfortable extended safeties.
On this SIG, the thing's just too thin & short to comfortably do that, so it has to be thumb-under, which does create a risk, however slight, of inadvertently activating it during fire.
I would not need or want a thumb safety on this pistol, but I do understand that the military required one.
I was surprised at the trigger, it's damn near past my 8-pounds RCBS scale, and it's at least twice as heavy as it should be.
It may be an anomaly, which is why I'm seeking other experience with it here.
Civilian 320s probably aren't relevant.
I'm curious to see if other M17s are showing the same heavy pull.
It might be another military requirement to appease nervous upper management not entirely comfortable with troops toting a pistol with no way to de-cock.
Make the trigger heavy enough to where a soldier would have to make a very deliberate effort to fire it, to avoid ADs.
Denis
Old Dog
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Well, on the SIG-specific forums, I don't recall any comments from the numerous M-17 buyers speaking to a heavier trigger pull. Gonna go check back in now with my fellow SIGophiles ...
Old Dog
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A casual perusal of the two main SIG forums seems to reflect the owners of M17s are more concerned about perceived finish wear ... almost seems that many of the guys who are buying up the M17 and the commemorative edition aren't actually shooting them, although I found a few comments such as "shoots like a dream" and "great trigger."
I will say that your opinion of the thumb safety seems valid; the size and shape don't cut it for me either (being an old 1911 dude).
I'm thinkin' you may want to increase your sample size, Denis, at least before making any judgements about the triggers on these. What I know is that of the many 320s (commercial and LE versions) that I've put rounds through, the triggers have been universally pretty darn good. Better than the S&W 2.0s, IMO ...
I will say that your opinion of the thumb safety seems valid; the size and shape don't cut it for me either (being an old 1911 dude).
I'm thinkin' you may want to increase your sample size, Denis, at least before making any judgements about the triggers on these. What I know is that of the many 320s (commercial and LE versions) that I've put rounds through, the triggers have been universally pretty darn good. Better than the S&W 2.0s, IMO ...
Thanks OD.
This one isn't to keep, it's a T&E sample from SIG.
I want to be fair to the company, and to the gun.
If I were to keep it, that trigger would have to be cut at least in half on the pull.
It hovers between a hair under 8 & a hair over 8 on my scale, and I do NOT find it to be even acceptable, much less "great".
I'd like to hear more, on the MILITARY M17s, not the commercial 320s.
Was hoping people would actually be shooting them.
Had heard of thin finish on the slide, but since this one won't be holstered while I have it, not an issue for me.
As an old 1911 guy for several years, with a well-designed safety it doesn't bother my thumb at all to ride it.
This one is not a well-designed safety.
Denis
This one isn't to keep, it's a T&E sample from SIG.
I want to be fair to the company, and to the gun.
If I were to keep it, that trigger would have to be cut at least in half on the pull.
It hovers between a hair under 8 & a hair over 8 on my scale, and I do NOT find it to be even acceptable, much less "great".
I'd like to hear more, on the MILITARY M17s, not the commercial 320s.
Was hoping people would actually be shooting them.
Had heard of thin finish on the slide, but since this one won't be holstered while I have it, not an issue for me.
As an old 1911 guy for several years, with a well-designed safety it doesn't bother my thumb at all to ride it.
This one is not a well-designed safety.
Denis
Talked to SIG, apparently the vicinity of 6-7 pounds is where they normally ship on these triggers, so the sample here at 8 is outside the cage.
I've seen Internet mentions of "great" triggers on these & wanted to be sure whether this one's the way they normally run or if it's an anomaly.
Otherwise, not a bad pistol.
Send 'em your cards & letters for an M18.....
Denis
I've seen Internet mentions of "great" triggers on these & wanted to be sure whether this one's the way they normally run or if it's an anomaly.
Otherwise, not a bad pistol.
Send 'em your cards & letters for an M18.....
Denis
JR24
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Local shop had an M17, didnt get to shoot it but the trigger felt (to me) exactly like the 320 next to it on the shelf.
Both felt heavier than the VTAC next to them, but maybe that was the flat trigger.
Both felt heavier than the VTAC next to them, but maybe that was the flat trigger.
RON in PA
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I have a SIG 320 M17 Bravo, that's the same as the tan pistols except it's black. Mine also has a heavy trigger pull, 8lbs.
I've put 600 rounds thru it and the only problem has been the rear sight plate loosening up. Held in place with two screws, one of which requires the removal of the extractor to tighten.
I've put 600 rounds thru it and the only problem has been the rear sight plate loosening up. Held in place with two screws, one of which requires the removal of the extractor to tighten.
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