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Anybody have a milsurp that defies all logic??

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by R.W.Dale, Dec 20, 2006.

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  1. R.W.Dale

    R.W.Dale Member

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    Check out this complete freak of nature. I own almost 20 centire fire rifles new and old bolt actions from 106 yrs old to brand new 22 hornet to 300WBY................ AND YET my frankenrifle put togeather from parts out shoots most of them with astounding groups on a REGULAR basis. Pictured below are the ONLY five groups i've fired with this load. 8lb trigger and all.


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    I bought this MAS 36 from a local shop a few years back, unaware at the time the craptastic level of workmanship the goons at Century exibited when converting this rifle to 308 win.

    So since the rifle was already completely screwed up I've had some fun with it playing around with some DIY bubba style gunsmithing. First off I had to fashon a new forend retaining clip from an old motorbike masterlink. Then I managed to e-bay a Golden State arms carbine barrel in the original 7.5x54 cartrige. Next came the cobble togeather scope mount held in place with some machine screws from a junk outboard motor that sports a Bushnell Banner shotgun scope. Lastly I full length bedded the forend to the barrel using some Quicksteel from a local auto parts house.

    You would think a bubbification such as this would shoot like crap and yet is shoots groups like the ones pictured above. It shoots other bullets almost as well provided that they are short and have lots of bearing surface. I JUST DON"T GET IT.

    Mabye one day I'll get lucky and be able to hustle sombody at the range with this rifle
     
  2. browningguy

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    This is my 1891 Argentine carbine, sporterized in the '50's by Williams. It has the factory barrel with a like new bore, all matching numbers, and a really nice crest, this may have been an unissued rifle when they did the work. The major changes were the stock sporterization and addition of a peep sight.
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    This is the normal 3 shot group at 100 yards, usually it shoots around .85-.95" when I can follow through on it. The time between pulling the trigger and boom is lengthy, could probably take a coffee break. These are with Speer .311" 180 gr. bullets for the .303, loaded to about 2350 FPS.
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  3. R.W.Dale

    R.W.Dale Member

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    NICE argentine. My 1891 also shoots those 180grn Sierras rather well.

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  4. Loanshark

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    My K-31's will do that. That doesn't surprise most people though.

    Just for the record I think you call 3 shots a cluster... 5 shots is a group.
     
  5. R.W.Dale

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    Just for the reacord 3 shots is a more than adequate measure of accuracy for a STD weight barrel. My Target/varmint rifles all get 5 shots hunting weight barrels all get 3 shot groups.



    As the old saying goes "The proof is in the pudding":neener:
     
  6. Loanshark

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    I didn't say 3 shots wasn't a good measure of accuracy, I said I didn't think it should be called a group. It is in fact a few shots close together. It's the first shot that counts right?

    As far as proof goes, come to the range with me and you're welcome to shoot any of my guns you like. Besides, I said the rifle could do it, I didn't say I could. :neener:back!
     
  7. 270Win

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    5? 3??

    Everyone knows that MEN shoot 10-shot groups, minimum!!!

    ;)

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  8. mrmeval

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    A friend has reloaded for a K-31 and gotten subMOA groups but he doesn't consider it consistent enough. He's sending the barreled receiver off for cryo-treatment to see if it helps. I would be happy doing .8 MOA - 1.2 MOA groups.
     
  9. BamBam-31

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    Real men shoot eight shot groups. PING! :D
     
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    hahahahhahahaa.
     
  11. Vairochana

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    Ahh, but an Enfield magazine holds 10:neener:
     
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    The right arm of the free world shoots 20 shot groups... :cool:

    I believe Loanshark hit it right though, when saying the first shot is the one that counts.


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  13. mrmeval

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    And an Ishapore 2A1 Enfield holds twelve 7.62 Nato. :evil:
     
  14. 4fingermick

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    My el cheapo 1936 MAS

    I bought this old MAS complete with dies and 100 rounds of loaded ammo for $AU150. I normally pull the bullets of any ammo, but this lot had notes with measuremants, etc. I shot a 300yard section of a Palma style shoot without sling, etc as you can see and my first two scoring shots were central bulls! I shot about 85-90% of my normal single shot target rifle score whick is normally shot with sling, jacket and fine target sights. Very Impressive for a cheap fugly french rifle. It's a keeper! Mick.


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    Actually, I'm not that surprised...I know of a 1893 Turk Mauser, re-arsenalled to 8x57, that shoots under 1.5" 10 shot groups. Using S&B commercial ammo, or handloads. Has the original military ("whippy") barrel, shortened and recrowned (but still like 27" long), mounted in a garage sale heavy target stock ($8!). Action bedded, barrel free-floated, drilled, tapped and bolt bent for $80 Tasco scope. Trigger lightened a bit by cutting off some of the firing pin spring (but ignition is 100% reliable), and smoothing the parts. Barrel was ported on a small drillpress using an endmill. Total cost around $200!
     
  17. Hoppy590

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    we all know real men shoot 3 shots, wrestle with the bolt after it jams, then affix bayonets and charge!

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  18. browningguy

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    Nothing personal, but I tend not to worry too much about what folks on AR15.com have to say. I am a member there, but let's face it, that is the home of the "Internet Commando". There are some good people over there, I have an upper built by Marty at Teppu Jutsu for example. In your example on group sizes, any shooter with minimal experience would realize there is a problem if your 3 shot groups are centered in different places every time , it doesn't take an "expert" to know that. And more importantly it does not diminish the value of 3 shot groups in hunting rifles. I don't mind if someone prefers 5,10 or 100 shot groups, but that doesn't make any difference for my uses.

    in 35 years of hunting I have never had to shoot more than 3 shots with a big game rifle in the field, so my opinion is that 3 shot groups are just fine. I do shoot larger groups sometimes, here's 5 with the .50 Beowulf:
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    I shoot 5 and 8 round groups with the .50 because sometimes zombies run in packs.:eek:

    And somewhere I have pics of 10 and 20 shot groups with the .223's, and 15 shot groups with the Witness Match. But my hunting rifles don't need to do that.
     
  19. Essex County

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    My "Franken" gun would have to be my...........

    '98 Mauser with a Douglas barrel and flawless metalwork, saftey, trigger, etc. What makes it unusual is that it's in 30-40 Krag, set up as a single shot in a cut down, unrefinished military stock...If this dosen't win the title it should get an honorable mention.......Essex
     
  20. rugerdude

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    My mosin nagant defies all logic by having sights that adjust to 2000 meters.
     
  21. Mikee Loxxer

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    My MAS 36 is also pretty accurate. It is my favorite milsurp right now. We'll see if that is the case after I test drive my K31 this weekend.
     
  22. MJ

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    My new 1941 Enfield first four shot sight in at 200 yards

    I had never seen or bore sighted this rifle and took it only as a back up the day I shighted in another #4 Savage. I plan on giving it a good personnel run in next month. But the 41 seems to have a 300 or 350 yrads zero on it as it came. That works good for us. It should not be this after 64 years.

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    Cheers
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  23. Antihero

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    That got a laugh outta me. I want a mosin now.

    This made me laugh as well, but really how usefull is a 2000 meter sight???

    Very i say! I usually yake shots at that range anyway:neener:
     
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    I wouldn't be too keen in being out in the open 2000yards/metres/yaks or whatever from a regiment of ruskies who were cranking rounds out of their Mosins at me and my comrades.
     
  25. texlurch

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    I have a Swiss 1911 (precursor of the K31). It was converted to .308 and sporterized back in the 50's, and my dad hunted with it for years.

    With off the shelf ammo and a cheap 22 scope, it would shoot one hole groups at 100 yds., in my younger days when I could still see. :cool:

    Now I have a nice St. Marie drill and tap mount with a 8x32-44AO scope, and I haven't gotten it dialed in. But I have no fear it will be fine. The barrel on it is free floated in the stock from the receiver forward.
     
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