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Anyone bought one of the used CZ75s from Wideners?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Wildbillz, Jan 6, 2011.

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  1. Wildbillz

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    Hi All
    I saw that Widners has some used CZ75s for sale. Anyone gotten one? I am thinking of ordering one and am wondering about there condition? Also anyone know where I could order spair (CZ Mfg) Mags?

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    WB
     
  2. SharpsDressedMan

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    Don't bother with factory mags. Get Mecgars.
     
  4. PabloJ

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    You may want to look below where someone claims they got Turkish-made AR-24 for $278 at place called Academy. They were giving them away at that price is very good way to sum that up. That is very well made gun in previously unowned condition. It comes from Muslim country but there is no fear of guy on flying carpet popping out of the barrel and chopping body part away. Oh by the way they also make exceptionally nice wool rugs in that country.
     
  5. atblis

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    $278 for an AR24 is a steal.
     
  6. armoredman

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    AR 24, the clone of the clone. Sarsilmaz of Turkey was a distributer for Tanfolgio of Italy until they made their own version of the Tanfoglio Force, (known as the Witness in the States, Tanfoglio was the first gunmaker with a widely sold clone of the CZ-75.), and began selling it, brought in as the AR-24. The AR-24 is known as a good solid gun, and Turkey has a fine gun making tradition that goes back centuries.
    I don't know much about these used CZ75s, but I'd snag one if I could. I have to ask rellascout, what issues with factory used mags have you heard of? MecGar does make an outstanding magazine.
     
  7. rellascout

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    No issues with performance but there is an issue with cost. $39 for a factory mag. $23 for Mecgars. Mecgars have never let me down.
     
  8. SharpsDressedMan

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    The pre B's, in general, will not work with Meg-Gars, unless modified inside the mag well. Pre-B magazines go for a premium, but just became available for the first time in years with this recent import of the Czech police guns. I grabbed 4 from Robertsons, and was tickled pink. There were a few run on gunbroker for $75-$80 prior to that, but $50-$60 was the going price. Robersons had them for $25, or $20 ea if you bought a gun from them.
     
  9. rellascout

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    I missed that they were Pre B guns. Your are correct the tube design on the old mags is different. Ironically IIRC the pre B mags were made by Mecgar. LOL
     
  10. Thorgrim

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    There are some fine folks at Wideners, I bought my Mak from them (in person, I lived about 15 minutes from their shop/warehouse at the time). They get a lot of tirekickers so they can seem a bit cool at first, but if you let them know up front you're serious about buying you'll get some great information and service from them.

    Occasionally/often one of the guys in the shop will buy a new cool toy, polish and tune it, then later sell it to buy the next new cool toy. My Mak was one of those, and it's a sweetheart among Maks. It would be worth asking if they have anything like that in stock. You may get a hand-select, tuned pistol at the "grab one out of the crate" price.
     
  11. Wildbillz

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    So the mags for a Cz75 and a Cz75B are differant? Thanks for the link to Robersons I will shoot them an e-mail and see if they still have any mags.

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  12. SharpsDressedMan

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    If you have a pre-B gun, it is a crap shoot unless you buy the early pre-B factory mags. I have one of the earliest of short rail guns, and it will accept 3 of the meggar mags I have, but not two other ones that have the meggar name stamped horizontally around the body of the mag (the other meggars that fit do not have this rollmark). None of these 5 meggar mags will go into two later, long rail Pre-B models that I have (like those being imported now). Only pre-B mags will work in those two guns (although some goofy aftermarket 10 rounder will fit them.....). Several gunsmiths charge to ream out the magwell of pre-B guns to accept the meggars as a service, but $50-$75 seems like a lot. One could dillingently and carefully do it themselves, but I just opted to seek out the correct mags. Just since this recent import did I get lucky in acquiring some, and now I have enough.
     
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    I had problems finding magazines for my pre B. Fortunately I have an AT84 that will accept the "square" front magazines.
     
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    The gun at Academy was the Hancer 2000. Both the discontinued Hancer and the current AR-24 were/are based on the same pistol made in Turkey by Sarsilmaz, with forged frames and slides. Basically the same pistol, just different cosmetically.

    http://www.sarsilmaz.com.tr/en/Urun/Tabanca/9x19/k10-c

    The Hancer's were being clearanced priced at $278, but there are no more in Academy's system - I called to check.

    I own the AR-24 Compact - great pistol.
     
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    So, if you have to get Pre-B mags, will aftermarket parts work in them? For example, if I buy a few, can I replace the springs with Wolff springs, or are they only going to work in the B models? I would love to have one of these, but it does me no good if I can't shoot it.....

    Also, since I am a little slow and something of a visual learner, could someone in the know post pics of the differences?
     
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    Contact info for Robertson's? Or, if they are out of mags, any leads on any other sources for Pre-B mags? I have a pre-B that only uses older mags so I know how hard they are to find.
     
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    these surplus cz pistols are not worth the money they are asking , Usually $325 -$350 with dealer and shipping fees that puts them close to $400 for a beat up surplus gun. You can get a new CZ 75 on gunbroker for about $475-$500. Better to get a new gun as opposed old crap.

    If they sold them for $200 they might be worth it.

    Here are some examples http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=209697019

    http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=209821569

    http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=209847558
     
  18. atblis

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    That's pretty much the conclusion I came to. They also appear to have the older enamel finish rather than being blued or having the polycoat. The older ones are not remarkably better than the new ones.

    EDIT: Looking at the Wideners picture, it does actually appear to be bluing. Hmm.
     
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    The mags aren't different -- the guns are.

    The older (Pre-B) CZs have tighter grip assemblies, near the top. Later models are more loose, and newer mags are slightly different. Newer Mec-Gar mags, for example, won't work in an older CZ.

    Even though Mec-Gar now supplies the factory mags, the newer factory mags won't work in the pre-B guns (or at least won't work in the older models.)

    If you have a pre-B or are considering buying one, look for older 15-round mags. The new mags likely won't fit unless you have the gun modified.

    (I have had a number of pre-Bs and speak from experience. Some of the last pre-B, called "transitionals" [which have features of the newer guns, but not the firing pin block] will often accept the new mags.)
     
  20. SharpsDressedMan

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    Whether the gun is worth it depends on how much you know about CZ's. The newer "B" models have a different trigger action, which is shorter, heavier, and usually not as nice as the pre-B models. The "Pre's" also have sleeker styling, and spur hammers, keeping with the original look of the CZ75. To some, it is simply a matter of aesthetics, to others, they like the slick trigger pull. Beyond both, the Pre-B's have a little more collector value, and that will keep the prices a little higher than used "B" models. Yes, some have that flakey paint, as does one of mine, but do a little custom work, and a re-finish, and you have Class A custom gun, which will give ANY other 9mm a run for its money. I have been seeing a lot of used HK PSP's with hard chrome and other finishes added, and it doesn't seem to be a problem or hurting their value, or marketability, either.
     
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    How bad are the import marks on these guns?
     
  22. SharpsDressedMan

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    "How bad are the import marks on these guns" Don't have one of the recent imports, but import marks can go away when re-finishing......................
     
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    Well, as soon as my pre-B gets here from Robertson's, I'll post pics and let you know my impressions. Also picked up 4 extra mags (total of 5) from his surplus stock.
     
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    txgunsuscg - any chance we can get a pseudo in-depth review of that pre-b's condition?
     
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