Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by AKElroy, Oct 1, 2009.
I also have two PINK sets for future builds for my twin daughters, and a LIME GREEN set I suppose I'll find a use for some day...
I rest my case!
The AR has come to dominate both Service Rifle and National Match competitions. It is practically the only design used by competitors shooting 3Gun or Multigun matches in any division except Heavy Metal (and even there, AR10's show up in the hands of some competitors).
For those who opt to use a rifle as a home-defense weapon, it's extremely light and easy to use for that purpose as well, and the modularity of the design allows it to be configured for whatever application you want.
Frankly, I'm just at a bit of a loss over why people deride black guns. If they aren't your thing, that's fine. But to make claims that they have little or no practical use is quite ridiculous. "
Tactical rifle competitors account for about 0.1% of all gun owners I would say. Those are "military" type matches mostly, so what else would they shoot except a civilian clone of the real thing. So that's nice to say that they are used for that, it accounts for a blip on the screen of all gun owners.
.223 varmint caliber is not a good HD round.
That's a pricey gun for HD also...
Service Rifle and National Match competitions are about the least tactical/military form of competitive shooting in existence, even if their lineage can be traced back to a military foundation. Such matches are primarily concerned with long-range accuracy on iron-sighted guns. In the modern era, High Power has about as much resemblance to a gun fight as Tai Chi does to a defending yourself with Krav Maga.
Regardless, there are plenty of other options for competing in those sorts of matches using M1 Garands, M1A pattern rifles, and of course Springfields. If the AR were truly so useless, you'd still see the top competitors running the older designs.
For MultiGun and 3Gun matches, the rules are even more wide open, and people are allowed all sorts of latitude in the rifles that they pick, yet they almost uniformly choose variants of the AR15. Heck, I even attended a long-range practical rifle match earlier this year (targets between 400-875ish yards) and saw someone running a JP LRP!
While they're certainly not a majority, I seriously doubt your claim.
If not, why not? If the round is so bad for defensive work, why have so many police departments switched to .223 carbines for SWAT work, away from submachineguns?
Eye of the beholder, I suppose.
If you only knew how many times I had described AR rifles and accessories as "Legos for grown-ups"...
Now that's what I'm talkin' about. I'll take one in the grey camo, and one in the power blue.
I buy the guns I like and for which I have a purpose for NOW. I have adequate defense for home and family, at home or on the go. I have a range toy or 2 and that's that.
If you like that kind of thing, then by all means, load up on ar's, glocks, and all the other tactical goodness you can get your hands on (I still like looking at all the pictures ), but let's not lose sight of reality guys. The end of mankind is the end of mankind, no matter how many cool-guy attachments you have hanging from your rifle that shoots the latest ballisti-poly-anti-material space-time tearing round.
Whoa, just looked back at what I wrote, didn't mean to be so long, and no offense intended in any fashion to anyone for any reason. Just sharing a few thoughts I've been mulling over for a while now.
People that just slam on Black Rifles just because they are popular or just don't like them, is just plain ignorant. It's not a "useless" rifle, then there wouldn't be so many of them. It's like saying what's better a semiauto or a revolver, or metal or polymer, or blind mag or detach mag. To each his own on what is more practical or useful. Tactical has turned into a slur word around here. Tactical is just a different use of a gun, there is a whole new generation of gun owning folk where the M16/M4 platform is the first gun they really saw and know and used. Hell, I'm pretty excited that the new wave of gun guru's are so into their firearms, they may have not grown up with wheel guns or hunting rifles as many of you, and are just embracing what they are comfortable with and what they love. Some folk grew up watching John Wayne playing cowboys and Indians, some grew up watching Schwartenagger and playing G.I. Joe. You shouldn't make fun of a gun owners choice just because it doesn't fit your choices. You may like the hardwood bolt because that was your daddy's gun but someone else might like the m16 because that's what his daddy used. Alot of tactical is fluff, but alot of it is practical. What do you say to all those folks who take those shooting courses, those tactical 3 gunmatches, those carbine classes, or etc.
End of rant.
No one ever said the AR platform or the tacticool accessories that seem to be ubiquitous with them are useless, just that the vast majority of the people who own them do not deal with situations that call for their many uses. So for a soldier fighting house to house in Iraq or Afghanistan an M4 is very practical and useful, but for the average civilian taking a realistic max of one trip to the range per week not so much.
I like traditional & tacticool
What I don't like seeing is a bunch of unused rails, or worse, opening up a publication that consistently puts too much merchandise on the rails. If it has a function besides looking nifty then hey, no problem.
I have a tacticool AK, and would like a couple more (they're so customizable) but would like one traditional AK with nice build quality and wood.
I have a paratrooper SKS that will become modified more, but my favorite is a chicom SKS with nice wood, bayonet, and factory 20rd. mag.
My Mosin is modded with a D&T mount, scope, and bent handle conversion. Thought about an ATI stock, but you know, I like it as is.
Traditional sporting stocks are so much better ergonomically because when hunting you spend most of your time unshouldered; they are more comfortable to hold at your waist or otherwise.
Actually, I just got fed up waiting on the SIG but the lever action is fun.
Anyone else going through a wierd anti-tactical phase?
I've been in that phase for...
...well, forever. The tacticool gear leaves me cold. A good polymer pistol doesn't bother me. I have a Vanguard with a synthetic stock. But all the rails, black plastic, lights, etc just don't trip my trigger.
Anyone else going through a wierd anti-tactical phase?
I did for a while...then I came to my senses.
Seriously though, my "anti-tactical" phase mainly revolved around getting tired of worrying about "this light vs that light," "how should I mount this or that to my SG or handgun," etc., etc.
In essence, the look of such weaponry has never bothered me and probably never will. Its just that, for me, the questions and issues surrounding "tactical" weapons and their accessories has grown somewhat tiresome. Hence, I have lost the lights, "tactical" 1-point sling mounts, shell carriers (at least those being receiver mounted), picatinny rails, etc., and have opted for a more "stripped down" and "clean" look.
Now, if I had an AR or something to that effect, then Id probably go full-bore with the "tactical" stuff. After all, to me, such a weapon is just begging to be made "tacticool." But, for my current handguns and shotguns...its essentially back to basics.
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