Anyone else notice unsealed 1lb jugs of powder after a recent purchase ?

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Over the weekend I bought a couple 1lb jugs of Retumbo at a local Bi-Mart. Upon opening, it seemed like the seal didn't have any adhesive or was previously opened because it remained inside the lid.... same thing with both jugs. So I sent a quick email to Hodgdon with the lot number, and aparently this is going to be the new norm. Just wanted to pass this along.

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Another_Kelley said:
Over the weekend I bought a couple 1lb jugs of Retumbo at a local Bi-Mart. Upon opening, it seemed like the seal didn't have any adhesive or was previously opened because it remained inside the lid.... same thing with both jugs. So I sent a quick email to Hodgdon with the lot number, and aparently this is going to be the new norm. Just wanted to pass this along.

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I had the same thing happened a few times, seal was kindda stuck to the lid
 
Another_Kelley said:
Over the weekend I bought a couple 1lb jugs of Retumbo at a local Bi-Mart. Upon opening, it seemed like the seal didn't have any adhesive or was previously opened because it remained inside the lid.... same thing with both jugs. So I sent a quick email to Hodgdon with the lot number, and aparently this is going to be the new norm. Just wanted to pass this along.
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Yup and ditto. Ramshot, Winchester and Hodgdon's powders. All new and it's been with both mail order and retail purchases. I figured there was some regulation or industry standards change behind it and just sniffed the powder, smiled, and got to loading. :D
 
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From left to right:
1. "old" Unique
2. "new" Unique
3. "old" 2400
4. "new" 2400
Maybe the "old" powders were formulated differently - those are cardboard jugs they are in, so sealing the lids wouldn't have made a lot of sense.
BTW, the "old" powders I have are still good, and I've had some of them for over 30 years.:thumbup:
 
.308 Norma said:
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From left to right:
1. "old" Unique
2. "new" Unique
3. "old" 2400
4. "new" 2400
Maybe the "old" powders were formulated differently - those are cardboard jugs they are in, so sealing the lids wouldn't have made a lot of sense.
BTW, the "old" powders I have are still good, and I've had some of them for over 30 years.:thumbup:
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Yup. The plastic pull tops. I've still got a bunch of them, including Unique. Still good, too, even in this Florida humidity.
 
Hartkopf said:
I never liked the thought of someone mixing or contaminating powders on the shelf.
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This, times a hundred! No one worries about weed killer or pre-mixed gasoline containers venting. Why would this be permissible? How can we tell if the package has been tampered with?
Very strange decision indeed. Why not an air valve in the already required SEAL? Why even put the seal in?
 
Demi-human said:
This, times a hundred! No one worries about weed killer or pre-mixed gasoline containers venting. Why would this be permissible? How can we tell if the package has been tampered with?
Very strange decision indeed. Why not an air valve in the already required SEAL? Why even put the seal in?
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because Gasoline won’t explode in the gas container. Powder has everything you need to (oxidizer) to go BOOM! so the probably perfer a pop instead of a BOOOOMMM

BTW: talking about Erupts, watch out for Yellostone!!!! I got a bad feeling about this one. Might got out and get over prices primers and such
 
Mark_Mark said:
Powder has everything you need to (oxidizer) to go BOOM!
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Right, so it seems to me I’d like that container sealed so no foreign chemical contamination can mix with said BOOMdust, causing the boom to happen before it gets to my rifle.:eek:

Or worse yet, spending $250 of hard earned credits on hard to come by powder and having no BOOM from my rifle at all.:fire:

Or even more worser still, a KABOOM in my rifle!:what:

Nope, still like the seals, Seals, and especially the S.E.A.L.s…:thumbup:


Further, the vessel sealed and lidded only holds pressure in the tens of pounds range. When a cartridge is fired it is “primed” by the pressure of the primer going off, to a couple thousand PSI, enabling the powder to burn rapidly.
A sealed plastic bottles gives a “FLLOOOOSHhhhh”, then burns.
 
Mark_Mark said:
because Gasoline won’t explode in the gas container. Powder has everything you need to (oxidizer) to go BOOM! so the probably perfer a pop instead of a BOOOOMMM

BTW: talking about Erupts, watch out for Yellostone!!!! I got a bad feeling about this one. Might got out and get over prices primers and such
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You’re conflating detonation and deflagration. Spoiled or contaminated smokeless powder degenerates through rapid spontaneous deflagration but will not detonate. Black powder is different.
 
I have had this with many Alliant bottles. Can't recall with anyone else.

Edit to add, I think this has happened with the bigger 8# can of H335. Its 1-1/2 year old.
 
I was sorry to see the same thing, that the seal on some of the hodgdon containers gets stuck in the lid when you remove it. My main goal now is to buy powder either direct from hodgdon or a place where it is shipped direct from the manufacturer. When I used to do a pick-up in store order at cabelas, it would usually be sealed in the shipping box from hodgdon, so the chance of tampering was almost non existant.

Here's why-

About 6 months ago I contacted one of the (somewhat) local places and they told me they had two pounds of powder, one H4831 and one H4350 . So I went up and got it. The guy bagged them and I drove home. As soon as i took them out of the bag, one container felt heavier than the other. When I weighed it, it turned out to be about 1 1/2 lb of powder. When I opened it, the powder was BAD. So I had to go back and get my money back, which they refunded me without issue. Since then, I take all possible precautions, and if I do buy powder from a store, I will open it and use a flashlight to look at the powder in the container.
 
carguy20 said:
I was sorry to see the same thing, that the seal on some of the hodgdon containers gets stuck in the lid when you remove it. My main goal now is to buy powder either direct from hodgdon or a place where it is shipped direct from the manufacturer. When I used to do a pick-up in store order at cabelas, it would usually be sealed in the shipping box from hodgdon, so the chance of tampering was almost non existant.

Here's why-

About 6 months ago I contacted one of the (somewhat) local places and they told me they had two pounds of powder, one H4831 and one H4350 . So I went up and got it. The guy bagged them and I drove home. As soon as i took them out of the bag, one container felt heavier than the other. When I weighed it, it turned out to be about 1 1/2 lb of powder. When I opened it, the powder was BAD. So I had to go back and get my money back, which they refunded me without issue. Since then, I take all possible precautions, and if I do buy powder from a store, I will open it and use a flashlight to look at the powder in the container.
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Somebody will call you paranoid but I agree with your thinking. If someone adds powder to a jug and it's the "wrong" powder for your application; kaboom. This sort of thing isn't common but I still like check and sniff out my powder real well before deeming it ok.
 
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Hartkopf said:
Somebody will call you paranoid but I agree with your thinking. If someone adds powder to a jug and it's the "wrong" powder for your application; kaboom. This sort of thing isn't common but I still like check and sniff out my powder real good before deeming it ok.
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Yeah, it is just one of those things that I will be painfully specific and a general PITA about. There is just too much that could go wrong with an improper powder mix / charge. Seeing how most people are concerned about working up loads (rightfully so), I would think the powder itself would also be a concern.

Another reason I am cautious is that some of my stuff may sit for years or possibly even decades. My father and I do not shoot as much as we used to years ago. We are still shooting reloaded ammunition that was reloaded by my dad's uncle who passed away in the early 1980's.
 
Yea, I hate to sit around and let the ol imagination dream up 'worse possible scenarios' and then dwell on them.... but given this new 'policy', along with the massive number of new reloaders out there, it does make sense to learn, at a minimum - whether the powder you just bought, should be a ball, stick, or flake type. Bonus if you can pin point their distinct odor :thumbup:
 
Anyone weigh the powder in a new "unopened" bottle? My first thought, in these times, was someone may be skimming an oz or two. If you don't use a full bottle at a setting, do you keep track of the number of rounds per pound?

I know there are mamy things that used to be a pound, gallon, liter that are not. Quart of ice cream isn't. There are others I can't think of off the top of my head, but I have noticed the printed qty/volume change. In many instances the pkg size is noticably smaller.
 
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I have. Helps to determine how many rounds I have left when I get near empty. 8 lb CFE223 weighs 8lbs, 7.1oz
4lb True Blue weighs 4lbs, 5.5 oz
I haven’t weighed a full pound container, but an empty w244 weighs 2.0 oz
 
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