Anyone ever shoot a bullpup?

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I think they are as ugly as sin. But looking at them from an engineering/performance point of view rather than an aesthetic point of view, I think I can behold the beauty.
I know Kel-Tec is coming out with a new design very soon. It will be chambered in all the popular mil-spec rifle calibers- even 6.5mm Grendel. An intriguing design point of this new rifle is that the spent cases are pushed forward and dumped out front of the rifle as it is being fired rather than being flung sideways out of an ejection port. There is also the inherent advantage of longer than normal barrels than other standard design rifles.
Has anyone shot one of these rifles? And please give an objective analysis of the one you have handled.

Here's a link to a YouTube video of the new rifle:
Kel-Tec RFB
 
Right now the Kel-Tec is still a prototype, and the last word on release was sometime in Q4 this year. The true breakthrough on the RFB is the new hammer linkage design that allows it to have a trigger as light as 2 pounds. Balance on the 18" model is excellent, and it's an entirely ambidextrous rifle. Shooting impressions were that it bounces more than it does rise up in recoil. Fit and finish of the prototypes is decent for a battle rifle, and the ergonomics are excellent. Quite frankly, it's the single most anticipated firearm for me, period.
 
Yep, I have: this is me below firing the L22A2. I have also fired a FAMAS and an EM-2, but only a few rounds in each instance. I wasn't too happy with the FAMAS - I seemed to get specks in my eye, possibly because of the rapid opening of the retarded-blowback breech. But the others were fine; they shot the same as the traditional guns I tried at the same time, only were better balanced for rapid pointing.

L22A2range.jpg
 
Haven't ever shot a bullpup myself...But I really, really want an RFB.

I'm afraid they will be out of my price range once they finally hit the market...But likely I will be graduating soon.

Does anyone have any idea what the price range will be for one? Even a ball park figure?
 
shot one, I have one, heh.

mine is a 22lr walther (g22). Not that there is a lot of dfference in the weight for a guy my size, I can barely notice much of a difference unless I am looking for it, but the weight against your shoulder helps you tremendsously to stable the rifle.

standing with only sling support at 50 yards I can regulary get 10 round rapid fire sub 2" groups, my best ten round rapid fire with the ruger 10/22 in standing sling support is 5".

a bullpup gives you much more stability than trying to support the weight of the rifle with your extended arm.
 
Shot and have the following:
AUG
M17S Bushmaster
L85A2
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I prefer AUG among the three listed. All in 5.56NATO.
 
GhostlyKarliion that is what I thought. It just LOOKS like a more stable setup than your standard bolt, chamber, barrel.
The video shows the 7.62 NATO chambering. Obviously it kicks pretty well.
I would opt for the 6.5mm and a mid-length barrel. To me that would be ideal.
As for price I am pretty sure it will be well above 1k.
 
I have shot the Styer Aug and have handled FAMAS and I do like the short profile that seems to be easier to move around.

The only problem I see with the bull pulps is changing the magazine. I will admit I do not have a lot of experience with them but I do not like the idea of removing my hand from the trigger group to change mags.

Maybe with training I could get to like it, but if I want to dump a mag early with a round in the chamber and a bad guy comes around the corner and my hand is in mid-mag change and not on the trigger group it leaves me defenseless. Granted with a standard rifle I would only have one shot then finish installing the new mag and then have to charge the weapon but I had one shot. I am sure it has been addressed before and it may not be an issue except in my own mind. Everything else about them I seem to like and would not mind adding one to my collection.

Enjoy your day!


Remember:
Plan for the worst, Hope for the best and if you land on your feet running life is good!
 
Years ago a friend bought a .308 on a Remington Mohawk action. It was a beauty with outragous figgured walnut. I didn't shoot it. I have a reluctance to having so much comotion going on next to my head. Just a personal quirk. Cal Me chicken......Essex
 
Have one in a rifle a Bushmaster 177 and a pistol a Bushmaster Arm Gun.
Both are .223 and the triggers are horrendous to lighten.
Bought them for their looks more than their utility.:evil:
The pistol is a scream to shoot. Nothing is more fun on a bright sunny day is getting a two foot flame out of the muzzle even with a flash suppressor.:D As one guy at the range once said to me "If you don't kill them with that gun you will defiantly scare them to death." :what:
 
"Years ago a friend bought a .308 on a Remington Mohawk action. It was a beauty with outragous figgured walnut"

I too have one of those, bet his was not a repeater! Don Golembiski of Kodiak precision made mine a repeater with $1000 of machineing. I'll see if I can get a picture up. BTW they ARE butt heavy.But where else can you have a ready to fire 27" .308 repeater with an 18" barrel-under a trench coat?
 
The PS90 handles extremely well IMO. Its light, points well naturaly, comes to and sits in my shoulder well. Overall a fun quick handling gun.
 
iv handled a PS90 (with the 16'' barrel, not the SBR :( ) and it felt nice, as stated, my concern would be with magazine changes, but the ps/p 90 is a little better off in that area, due to its top mag.
 
Hoppy590

The mag changes on the PS90 are a snap, about on par time-wise as an AK.
 
I have, an FS2000. I was not impressed with the balance and handling, but that's personal preference and also just the novelty of it. Plus, add some tacticrap to both a standard rifle and bullpup, and the bullpup probably starts to balance better.

Mike
 
Most folks who slag off the bullpup design tend to either have never handled one or at best one for about 5 minutes. Typical armchair commando comments......

"Oh no.....The ejection port is reeeeeal close to my face " Obviously never used as bolt action before
"It's crap, you can only shoot it right handed" Usually said by a Righty......
"It looks too spacey" Sorry, does not compute.. :rolleyes:
"The trigger is really gritty" That's why God gave is gun smiths, opposable thumbs and abrasive material
"Its so short" And yet the barrel is longer and delivers more energy down range than your 11.5" incher
"Oh my God the magazine mechanism is different" Train it, use it love or loath it

etc etc etc.

I personally loved the accuracy and form/function of my L85 (and the final fixes in the A2) got to play with the Streyr Aug with the Aussies and even "played the bugle" and got serious range time with the Froggie FAMAS.

Each had it's own foibles but I like the concept.
 
A family member has a couple of Steyr AUGs. They shoot real well and handle nicely for a rifle with 20 inches of usable barrel. The built in folding forward grip was way ahead of its time and is a nice feature. One thing that sucks is switching to an opposing shoulder, since you'll get brass in your face. I like the concept of the FS2000 and similar guns with the forward ejection or bottom ejection even. I've handled the FS2000, but it didn't feel as sleek and easy to handle as the AUGs.
 
Bullpups are neat, but I have yet to find a practical use for one in civilan trim. Take the PS90 for example. It serves its purpose quite well with the short barrel. Tack on a 16" tube and you have a pointless weapon.
 
yes, the longer barrel on the ps90 is pointless, but you can thank our good "friends" at the ATF for that...

here is something else to think about, the bullpup's center of gravity is moved farther back, towards your sholder.

physics 101 tells me that this gives the weapon less "leverage" and you tend to wobble much less, than with a conventional rifle, which has its center of gravity centered between the shooters hands or farther foreward.

i have never handled an AUG, but i love the fs2000/f2000. at first i though it was little too "bukly and fat" but the weapons exterior is sleek and snag-proof. i also like its ergonomics. if i has the money i would buy one i a heartbeat.
 
I've got a G22 and personally feel it's one of my best investments. I mostly bought it just to have something in bullpup configuration in my collection, but once I started shooting it I loved it. Hopefully someday I'll have a real job that'll let me get a few more weapons in the style...
 
Whassa bullpup?

I had a plastic stock for a Mini 14 .223 that they called a bullpup. I never could get it to fit right, and I really didn't like the feel of it too much. If anyone remembers, I gave it away as karma right here on this forum a couple of years ago, to some kid in Arkansas that was deplying to Iraq. Don't know if he took it with him, or even if they would let him.
Word of Caution: If you are a left handed shooter, be sure to put a big BIG freakin sign on the back side of the bolt that reads: DANGER! Bolt Will make contact with your chin!
My son-in-law is a left handed shooter and he found out the hard (oh, very hard) way. I ended up giving him the Ranch and he put a collapsable fiberforce stock on it, but one that keeps his chin out of the way.:D
 
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