Anyone familiar w/Alcan primers

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  1. Juiceking

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    Hello,
    Im getting ready to start reloading 243 for the first, woohooo, and i want to use up some loose primers from my Uncles stuff.

    These were just rubber banded all together so i was hoping to use them up before opening a new box.

    Im assuming the remington 9 1/2 mag LRP should be saved for something else, although i don't own any kind of mag rifle.

    The cci 200 are good to go so that leaves the Alcan max-fire LRP. Some stuff on internet says to treat like magnum primers. Is that true? Should i not use them for 243?

    I will be loading speer 85 gr btsp over imr 4895 (havent determined starting point yet) with win brass.

    Thanks for your input!! 20211013_155811.jpg
     
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  2. Swampman

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    What powder do you plan to use?

    ETA- Sorry, just reread and saw you're using 4895.

    I'd start with the CCI 200's, unless I had specific data for a mag primer.
     
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  3. Juiceking

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    What about the Alcan primers? Can i treat them like regular Lrp?
     
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    Thanks for link but not really interested in dropping 1000 dollars just looking to see if anyone had experience with Alcan max fire LRP.
     
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    I have used them in the past. As long as you work up your loads they should work as regular large rifle primers. I too kind of remember that they might be a bit stronger in the brissance department but the primer cup was only strong for large rifle pressures. If in doubt don't load to maximum without using a crony to test speed. Unfortunately you only have a few and after you work up a load you'll be almost out of them. IIRC my grandfather used them with ball powders in his 30-06.
     
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  7. Juiceking

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    They just looked older than other stuff so I figured i would use them up developing 243 load.
    I do plan on loading for 30.06 so maybe i should save them for that. Thanks for info that's what i was looking for.
     
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    I've used a bunch of those over the years back when they were plentiful. Use them just like any other LRP, just be sure to work your way up ... you know the deal. Treat them as you would #34s.

    I actually use to really like those primers. They were known for their 209s back in the day, they were all my grandpappy used in the 70s and he left me a lot of them .... almost their entire line were a little hard and hot because, as I heard somewhere, they wanted that elusive military contract.

    They used to make great powders too. They imported it, I can't remember ... Bolivia maybe? I dunno why that comes to mind but it does ... probably wrong. Anyways, brings back memories.
     
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    I ran across these a couple months ago and I’ve been using them in my 375 H&H. They work great.
     
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  10. 9x56MS

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    Alcan made both LRP and magnum LRP primers. You have the standard LRP so those will be fine in your 243. I haven’t seen the Allan brand in 30 years in my neck of the woods. Never known primers to go bad as long as they are kept dry. Just out of curiosity is there a lot code stamped on the bottom of the packs?
     
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  11. JDeere

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    Simple answer, use them and as already mentioned start low and work up.
     
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    Damn auto correct Alcan. Lot code may be stamped on the box flap.
     
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  13. PapaG

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    Used thousands of all five sizes back in the late seventies. I found that they seemed a little hotter than CCI or WW. Still have a few.
     
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    That was about the timeframe my Dad was using them in his 222 loads for woodchucks. That Sako would reach out and touch them. I shot a crow at 410 yards with that rifle. Nothing but a puff of black feathers in the air. Never knew what hit him.
     
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    I just went to check but no code. It just says S&W ammunition co. Alton, Illinois.

    I don't have original box just those 3 sleeves. Bummer it would be interesting to know more about them.

    Seems to be reoccurring theme that they might be a little hotter so i will work up carefully.

    Thank you lots of good information.
     
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    I found a partial box of Alcan LRP in my dad's remnant reloading stash. That was from the 70's also. He was using them as standard primers. I was hoping these were collectable and sale someday would enable me to buy a farm somewhere? Sounds more like I might be lucky to net a small bag of potting soil.

    On the Remington Magnum primers, I assume those would be treated the same as primers found in Lake City pull down brass. I was advised to reduce loads by one full grain to account for the magnum primer in those, and that advice has proven to be about right.
     
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    Haha i wish i had enough primers to sale to buy a farm. Although they seem like little bricks of gold.

    Thanks for touching on the Remington 9 1/2. I think i might just set those to the side. Not sure what i want to do with them yet. I have a buddy that hunts with a 300 win mag. Maybe ill reload for that someday.

    This will be my first rifle reload besides 5.56/223.
     
  18. Howa 9700

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    If not primers.......maybe I can get rich peddling my remaining stash of Alcan shotgun wads? I have several boxes of those.
     
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    I’d drop 5% below the starting load from what ever manual your using. Load 5 and test for pressure signs. Ladder up from there.
    Many hand loaders, including me, keep logs on their loading activities, perhaps your uncle left his. Good reference tools.
     
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    Ya mean like these? I got a big stash of them in the attic LOL. 20211014_102149.jpg
     
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    Well schucks.......just lost the farm again.
     
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  22. PapaG

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    In our shop, we bought Alcan primers which we bought from our distributor because they counted as "related merchandise". To purchase a S&W handgun you had to buy a certain amount of that stuff. Example, a Model 10 required $125 of related merch at wholesale. Leather, ammo, shotgun (the crappy 916), mace, etc. I'd sell four 20 ga 916s to duck hunters so they could shoot lead and have enough credit for a Model 29. I think the primers were $5.60/1000 and we used bunches in our commercial loading racket. The 209s were hotter than the hubs of hades and I used PB powder with them in 12 ga shells. I still have boxes of S&W ammunition which has a headstamp S&W-F for Smith and Wesson-Fiocchi.
     
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    I've used lrmp in 243 and 7mm08 with slow burning ball powders, well win 760. They ignited the powder better than standard large rifle primers especially in the colder climates in ny.
     
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  24. AJC1

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    Why would one ever go below a starting load and are you experienced enough with the powder in question to know that's safe. A starting load is exactly that. The books take variables into account and I recommend staying inside the lines for a new loader.
     
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  25. whughett

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    While I can’t recall or quote references, In my 45 years of hand loading, reading manuals and various publications on the subject, I’ve always read that reducing a starting load by 5 or even 10% is a safe way to start. Published data of decades ago can be much different than published data of today. It even varies between different manuals for the same caliber.
    Perhaps those with more technical knowledge can expand on this.
    The Op wants to use components that currently published data is no longer available for. The component has changed, it’s an unknown value now.
    Reducing the starting load IMO is a safe start.
     
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