Anyone Hate Kahrs?
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mtnbkr
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Nope. I like my K9. It fits my hand perfectly. My only quibble is that I'd rather the DA trigger be a tad shorter, but otherwise, it's the perfect CCW for me. This weekend, I was dinging a 4" spinner at 25yds fairly regularly. Winchester Ranger T 147's were going THROUGH an old harddrive at that distance too. 
Chris
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WillBrayJr
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Don't hate Kahrs at all. There's just better pistols for the same amount of $$$.
larry starling
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Kahrs look nice,But Im with Willbrayjr there are better guns out there for the same money! 
Krag
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IMHO the Kahr is the finest CCW pistol in this quadrant of the galaxy!
I've owned several and presently use a PM9. In the morning I put on my pants and I holster my PM9. Carry it all day and am not even aware it's there.
I love the DAO trigger and I can shoot it as well as a full sized pistol out to 10-12 yards. Hell, if the phrase wasn't taken already I'd say it was "Perfection!"
I've owned several and presently use a PM9. In the morning I put on my pants and I holster my PM9. Carry it all day and am not even aware it's there.
I love the DAO trigger and I can shoot it as well as a full sized pistol out to 10-12 yards. Hell, if the phrase wasn't taken already I'd say it was "Perfection!"
hollowpointt
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Those who say there are better pistols for the $$$, pick em please.
Those who say there are better pistols for the $$$, pick em please.
I LOVE Kahrs. In fact, I have 8 of them. They are all the steel models in stainless or nickel, though.
For the size, they are appealing. I like the K40 and K9 models for total comfort, accuracy, and grip size.
They are brick heavy.
They are pricey.
You CAN get more rounds, in a similar weight gun, and maybe for less money.
Still, if you wnat one, you pay for it.
I spent my money, and I have no regrets.
For the size, they are appealing. I like the K40 and K9 models for total comfort, accuracy, and grip size.
They are brick heavy.
They are pricey.
You CAN get more rounds, in a similar weight gun, and maybe for less money.
Still, if you wnat one, you pay for it.
I spent my money, and I have no regrets.
Richard
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I used my Kahrs for CCW for a long time but I stopped because I didn't like leaving an expensive weapon in my car. Michigan law forbids carry in many places. Even though I have a safe in my trunk I didn't care to leave $800 worth of gun in the car. In regard to quality/accuracy a Kahr will hold its own with any. Regards, Richard
Yes, I hate them. I have had two and currently have one which is waiting to be sent back to the Kahr mothership for repair.
-The one I still have is a K40 and its main problem is that after 300 rounds the barrel hood locking area is being peened to the point of non-existence, working back like the edge of a much whacked chisel or punch would. Not wanting a blowback .40 it has been retired.
-I went to put night sights on the same gun, holy mother of God, do the dovetails need to be that poorly cut that it takes about 80 metric butt tons of foce to free them?
-The same gun likes to prematurely lock back due to insufficient spring tension on the slide stop pin. No I'm not riding it, as a lefty there is no finger there. MK40 had the same issue, different(older) spring design and I was able to re-tension.
The other was the previously mentioned MK40. After doing several things to fix the slide lock issue the gun was quite reliable except for working out grip screws and blowing off front sights, recoil just cracked the blade right off. I quit carrying this gun because it was a heavy BUG (ankle carried usually) and too small to be a real gun.
Kahr to me seems over-priced, sketchy customer service, and Para-Ordnance-esque quality control. I think I got a Friday afternoon parts bin gun in that K40.
-The one I still have is a K40 and its main problem is that after 300 rounds the barrel hood locking area is being peened to the point of non-existence, working back like the edge of a much whacked chisel or punch would. Not wanting a blowback .40 it has been retired.
-I went to put night sights on the same gun, holy mother of God, do the dovetails need to be that poorly cut that it takes about 80 metric butt tons of foce to free them?
-The same gun likes to prematurely lock back due to insufficient spring tension on the slide stop pin. No I'm not riding it, as a lefty there is no finger there. MK40 had the same issue, different(older) spring design and I was able to re-tension.
The other was the previously mentioned MK40. After doing several things to fix the slide lock issue the gun was quite reliable except for working out grip screws and blowing off front sights, recoil just cracked the blade right off. I quit carrying this gun because it was a heavy BUG (ankle carried usually) and too small to be a real gun.
Kahr to me seems over-priced, sketchy customer service, and Para-Ordnance-esque quality control. I think I got a Friday afternoon parts bin gun in that K40.
I have a rare K9 model in Black-T finish. I find it more difficult to shoot accurately than a larger, or SA pistol, and my finger starts to sting after 3 or 4 mags. I love it for concealed carry. It's so thin and compact yet the barrel is still 3.5".
The K9 exists to fill the concealable in any attire, +P+ 9mm durable pistol niche. If you judge it by any other standard it comes up short.
I paid $550 for mine, I don't think that's pricey or inexpensive?
The K9 exists to fill the concealable in any attire, +P+ 9mm durable pistol niche. If you judge it by any other standard it comes up short.
I paid $550 for mine, I don't think that's pricey or inexpensive?
WillBrayJr
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Sigarms P232 cheaper, Sigarms P239 cheaper, Glock26, Glock27, Glock36 cheaperX3. Well about the same price on the polymer Kahrs. The Sigs I mentioned are cheaper than the Metal Kahrs
Double Naught Spy
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Aren't all those larger than the Kahrs?
Felonious Monk
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Yep, I do hate them.
I own a Kel-Tec P11 (EXCELLENT gun once you've tweaked it like you want it), a Sig P232 and unfortunately, I just cannot pocket carry either of these.
I'm going to buy an MK9 this week by default, gritting my teeth the whole time.
Unless you want to get robbed of nearly a thousand dollars for a Rohrbaugh, it's pretty much the only game in town.
I own a Kel-Tec P11 (EXCELLENT gun once you've tweaked it like you want it), a Sig P232 and unfortunately, I just cannot pocket carry either of these.
I'm going to buy an MK9 this week by default, gritting my teeth the whole time.
Unless you want to get robbed of nearly a thousand dollars for a Rohrbaugh, it's pretty much the only game in town.
peashooter
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Naa, I love my Kahr.....it's Glocks I hate. Just kidding about the Glocks.
My E-9 is accurate as hell and works every time I pull the bang lever.
Just kidding about the Glocks.My E-9 is accurate as hell and works every time I pull the bang lever.
PCRCCW
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Better guns for the money..........no. As good yes.......
Sigs are great guns.....the 230-232 are larger and smaller in caliber,
The 239 is the same size as a 3913 S&W, Glocks are not that much cheaper and are freaking bricks compared to the little Kahrs. I guess to each his own.
Sorry rant off......nothing personal to you or your choice of guns.....all are quality weapons....but so are Kahrs.
Kahrs have problems just like any other mechanical device but for the money, you wont find better workmanship, accuracy etc in ANY other gun.
They are not for everyone as no guns are. But they are as close to the most perfect CCW package most people can find when looking for a small/quality gun. In alot of peoples opinions.........
Shoot well.
Sigs are great guns.....the 230-232 are larger and smaller in caliber,
The 239 is the same size as a 3913 S&W, Glocks are not that much cheaper and are freaking bricks compared to the little Kahrs. I guess to each his own.
Sorry rant off
......nothing personal to you or your choice of guns.....all are quality weapons....but so are Kahrs.Kahrs have problems just like any other mechanical device but for the money, you wont find better workmanship, accuracy etc in ANY other gun.
They are not for everyone as no guns are. But they are as close to the most perfect CCW package most people can find when looking for a small/quality gun. In alot of peoples opinions.........
Shoot well.
For what they are, I think they are best gun made. For a compact 9mm, they seem to fill the niche perfectly. I don't know of a compact 9mm that is as small and thin as the Kahr K-9 that is as good. The closest thing would be the SIG 239 which is larger and thicker and sits much higher in the hand. If you couldn't afford the Kahr K-9, the SIG 239 might be a decent option but why settle for second best when you don't have to?
The SIG 232 is a .380 is it is not even playing in the same league. The Glock26 and 27 are too fat. The Glock 36 is MUCH larger in all ways.
People seem to think the all steel Kahrs are heavy but they don't weigh any more than a S&W 3913 or SIG 239 and they have alloy frames. I think they feel heavy for their size but that is just because they are compact. If they were larger but weighed the same, they wouldn't feel like such brick. The weight is my main problem with them, I wish they would make one in alloy or Titanium instead of plastic. I hate plastic and even if I buy a plastic gun, i end up getting rid of it soon after.
The SIG 232 is a .380 is it is not even playing in the same league. The Glock26 and 27 are too fat. The Glock 36 is MUCH larger in all ways.
People seem to think the all steel Kahrs are heavy but they don't weigh any more than a S&W 3913 or SIG 239 and they have alloy frames. I think they feel heavy for their size but that is just because they are compact. If they were larger but weighed the same, they wouldn't feel like such brick. The weight is my main problem with them, I wish they would make one in alloy or Titanium instead of plastic. I hate plastic and even if I buy a plastic gun, i end up getting rid of it soon after.
No_Brakes23
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The SIG P232 is .6" longer than the Kahr K9 and a negligible .2 " taller.
Kahr lists their slide width as .9" and my wife's SIG measures .875", but the SIG being rounded rather than square is effectively even smaller than that.
On the other hand, the SIG is .380 versus the Kahrs 9mm. I dunno how much ballistic difference there is between the 9mm parabellum and the 9mm kurz.
I like the fit and finish on the SIG, I have never handled a Kahr.
Felonious Monk
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Ahh, but what is the comparison to the PM9/MK9?
THERE'S the true difference.
THERE'S the true difference.
Felonious Monk
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Ahh, but what is the comparison to the PM9/MK9?
THERE'S the true difference.
Also, if the .380 is what we're looking to conceal, my P3AT is the most concealable. I need a 9mm parabellum.
THERE'S the true difference.
Also, if the .380 is what we're looking to conceal, my P3AT is the most concealable. I need a 9mm parabellum.
Sistema1927
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Kahr PM9 rides in the pocket full-time and gives me 6+1 of 9mm.
What is not to like?
What is not to like?
Old Fud
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I have 2 K9s and just picked up a PM9.
All 3 shoot POA out of the box.
Not one has ever mis-ANYTHING. (Mis-fired, mis-fed, failed to extract, - - - - )
The trigger is sweet -- I prefer it to Glock or XD and it's better than any of my other pieces when I shoot them DA.
Once you get used to hammering that miserable pin out while holding the slide in precisely one position by strength of hand ONLY (I'm developing arthritis in my thumbs btw), take-down and re-assembly are EZ.
Yeah, I've become a fan.
But my daughters don't like the recoil.
It's a fact --- with the low what-cha-callit, the gun kicks straight back into the cup of your hand -- little/no flipping action. And that's un-relieved metal frame doing the kicking too.
It didn't help that I was using some 1985 surplus "Mystery" load that was much hotter than what you buy today.
Comment: The PM9 feels like it weighs less than half of the K9, yet the kick is about the same. It's Magic.
Fud
All 3 shoot POA out of the box.
Not one has ever mis-ANYTHING. (Mis-fired, mis-fed, failed to extract, - - - - )
The trigger is sweet -- I prefer it to Glock or XD and it's better than any of my other pieces when I shoot them DA.
Once you get used to hammering that miserable pin out while holding the slide in precisely one position by strength of hand ONLY (I'm developing arthritis in my thumbs btw), take-down and re-assembly are EZ.
Yeah, I've become a fan.
But my daughters don't like the recoil.
It's a fact --- with the low what-cha-callit, the gun kicks straight back into the cup of your hand -- little/no flipping action. And that's un-relieved metal frame doing the kicking too.
It didn't help that I was using some 1985 surplus "Mystery" load that was much hotter than what you buy today.
Comment: The PM9 feels like it weighs less than half of the K9, yet the kick is about the same. It's Magic.
Fud
1911.45
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My PM9 also rides in my front pocket. I use it primarily as a BUG. As a pocket gun, it has a specific function, and it has performed very well. It was expensive, but I am worth it (and besides, it is my money). If there is a smaller, lighter, more concealable, better quality 9mm (or larger caliber) autoloader available for less money, please let me know, and I will buy it.
I used to carry a S&W 340 PD Scandium J-frame (which was also expensive), but I can shoot better with the PM9, although it is 2 ounces heavier. Additionally, I believe that 9mm is a better defensive round than .38 special, and I could not shoot .357 competently in the J-frame, although I do not attribute that to any fault of the gun, and I would not suggest that there are not many shooters who could competently shoot .357 magnum from the 12 ounce revolver.
I had also heard that the recoil from .357 was so severe in the 340 PD and similar models that bullets were moving forward far enough in the cartridges on occasion to prevent the cylinders from turning and preventing the guns from firing. In response, IIRC, S&W indicated that bullets less than a specific weight should not be used.
I used to carry a S&W 340 PD Scandium J-frame (which was also expensive), but I can shoot better with the PM9, although it is 2 ounces heavier. Additionally, I believe that 9mm is a better defensive round than .38 special, and I could not shoot .357 competently in the J-frame, although I do not attribute that to any fault of the gun, and I would not suggest that there are not many shooters who could competently shoot .357 magnum from the 12 ounce revolver.
I had also heard that the recoil from .357 was so severe in the 340 PD and similar models that bullets were moving forward far enough in the cartridges on occasion to prevent the cylinders from turning and preventing the guns from firing. In response, IIRC, S&W indicated that bullets less than a specific weight should not be used.
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