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Anyone have a Boberg 9mm?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Rembrandt, May 6, 2012.

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  1. Rembrandt

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    It's hideous. It's like a Magnum Research .380 copulated with a Taurus.
     
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    BTW, I've ordered one also, but that was this past Feb I believe, and I think it was about an 8 month wait. So I'm waiting too. LM
     
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    Bullpup comes to CCW;)

    It looks like a very well made pistol by their photos. I applaud their cleverness and hope it works well long term.
     
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    While it's an innovative design and appears to be very well made, given its limited production and initial price, I think I would have a definite wait and see attitude towards it.
     
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    Bubba,

    Respectfully I've never seen a firearm designed in the "Bullput" style that wasn't uglier than Hillary with makeup.

    But, for me in a firearm used primarily for self defense I worry a whole lot more about how it performs than how it "looks"..

    Apparently, from what I've read from those who actually have the Boberg XR9-S it seems the little min-subcompact 9MM pistol performs quite well.

    Truthfully for a firearm that will spend 99% of it's carry life in a holster of one type or another, how it "looks" really isn't that big of a deal, to me.

    No offense to you Sir, just making conversation.

    Plus I have to fess up I'm a big Boberg XR9-S fan, and in fact should be getting mine in a few weeks. I have on the pre-order list since last November, and I'm really looking forward to getting it.

    And Mr. bannock, normally I'm with you on the "wait and see" deal with any new firearm, but I have a consideration that prevent that for this particular firearm.

    I'm almost 70 years old, and I don't think I have the "time" to wait for thousands and thousands to be made before I make the leap.. Arne only makes 60-80 pistols per month (to my understanding, those numbers could well have increased), and there are roughly 1000 names on the pre-order list NOW with more being added daily.

    I've been a "beta tester" (unintentionally) for several guns over the past decades, so if the XR9-S has a bug or two yet unfound, they will be fixed under warranty, so that's just not a big deal for me.

    The only thing I use my self defense firearm choice for is precisely that, self defense. Therefore I only shoot from self defense distance, which for me is 7 yards or less. IF my new Boberg XR9-S will perform at that distance that's all I ask of it. I need reasonable accuracy, and absolute reliability.. For what I've read from those who have tested the new XR9-S and review them, the pistols are very, very accurate, and using "approved" ammunition extremely reliable.

    Apparently recoil is surprising light, and less recoil offers the opportunity for better accuracy.

    But, everything I've said is just what I've seen (utube videos), or read, and shortly I'll probably have an opportunity to test and review my very own Boberg XR9-S.

    I would add one thing.

    To anyone who "might" have an interest in the Boberg XR9-S in the future, I'd suggest you get your name on the pre-order list NOW. There is no deposit required, no obligation to buy when your name is called, and if you put your name on the list today it would be a long, long time before it reached the top.

    Best Wishes,

    Jesse
     
  8. Billy Shears

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    I was one of those people who wanted to buy Mr. Boberg's original design for the gun, which was a model with a full length (4.5in) barrel. His big selling point, at the time he announced it, was that it was a pistol with the external dimensions of a compact 9mm, but the barrel length of a full size handgun, and consequently, higher velocity and all the advantages thereof. Then someone proposed a gun with the barrel length of a compact 9mm as well, which, with this gun, made the overall length really short, and Boberg conducted a poll, and a majority of people said that was what they wanted.

    I was not one of them, and was very disappointed at this. It seems to me you're getting a gun that is little, if any more concealable than the original design would have been, and giving up this configuration's major advantage: higher velocity from a compact gun. Moreover, Boberg had to go back to the drawing board and come up with a different kind of recoil spring to work with the short barrel, further delaying things.

    Given the high price, I am only going to be able to own one of these, and I am holding out for the original, full-length barrel version. I suspect, however, that the gun may well go out of production before it ever gets made. Boberg is talking about raising the price a bit in order to reduce waiting times, and I am wondering if he hasn't got a situation going rather like that of the original AMT Automag: a really nice gun, sold at too low a price to cover its high production costs, resulting in the unprofitability and eventual demise of the company that produced it. I hope this is not the case, but I'll have to wait and see.
     
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    It looks quite small for a 9mm
     
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    You should take a look at DB9.
     
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    The gun is not ugly and the price isn't very high considering complexity of it's design. I will not rely on "Rubik's Cube" to shave my hide.
     
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    I'm not sure what you're point is; you seem to be commenting on points I never even made. I never said I thought the gun was ugly. The gun's price might be quite commensurate with its complexity, but so what? At a thousand bucks a throw, it's rather more expensive than most other handguns. (And I think the price reflects small production, rather than mechanical complexity -- the Boberg doesn't have more moving parts than many other guns that cost far less.) And I'm not even sure what you're trying to say with your last sentence.
     
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    Billy,

    Just making conversation, so no offense intended to you.

    Amazing how differently a person can see such things as the "full length" XR9-S vs the XR9-S.

    For me personally I would have absolutely zero interest in the standard sized Boberg pistol because I'm not a large person and the "smaller" the better in a carry weapon for me.

    I would be willing to say that comparing the large 3lb+ AutoMag (in any incarnation) to the tiny 17.5oz XR9-S is a stretch.

    I believe, and it's just personal opinion, that there is a much, much greater market for a relatively tiny 9MM pistol that can easily be carried concealed and used for self defense than the larger, much heavier 357/44 cal AutoMag.

    I think there is a possibility that the Boberg XR9-S could well become the 9MM equivalent to Larry Seecamps LWS32's and LWS380's.

    Or, it's entirely possible that Arne will sell directly to customers for a time, until he gets a backlog of guns, then sell thru a limited number of gun dealers, such as Larry does.

    Larry Seecamp has secured a "nitch" of the concealed carry business by producing a very high quality, very tiny pistol for decades, and apparently he has no desire for "high volume" in the manner of say, Beretta, Glock, or Ruger. Larry has a family business, it apparently provides sufficiently for him, and I'm thinking Arne Boberg might follow in his footsteps, and manner of operation.

    All I can judge by is the length of the pre-order line at present (in excess of a thousand), and this is BEFORE the XR9-S starts showing up in the various firearm magazines.

    I believe once the XR9-S is tested and reviewed positively in the various gun magazines interest will just continue to rise and more sales will be the result.

    In today's economy, NO ONE can tell with certainty what "will" succeed and what "will" fail, but from all I read interest in firearms in general is at an all time high, and that is not expected to decline in the near future..

    I believe Boberg Arms and the XR9-S will be a success. I cannot say if that "success" will be measured in terms of private sales thru the internet (as is now the policy), or if interest is such that he expands thru a line of dealers, but Arne is producing a high quality, very tiny 9MM pistol, and I don't think there will EVER come a time when those are not desirable.

    The price of the Boberg is high, no doubt.. But so is the Rohrbaugh, and Kimber Solo among others, and I don't see either of them going out of business for lack of sales.

    There are many, many excellent sub-compact 9MM pistols available on the market (I have several) at a much cheaper price than the XR9-S.. But, as my friends wife told him just prior to asking for a divorce, "the heart wants what the heart wants", and the thousand names on the pre-order list, and that list is growing daily tells me there are enough gun buyers for the XR9-S to keep Arne off the food stamp rolls indefinitely.

    Again, I'm old, opinionated, and I ramble, so please, no offense to you intended.


    Best Wishes,

    Jesse

    P.S.

    IF my XR9-S turns out to be less than expected, which I doubt will be the case, I have two dozen other pistols, so I won't be undergunned.. But I WANT the Boberg XR9-S to be a winner, and from all I have seen so far, it IS a winner, and will continue to be one.
     
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    That method of extraction has me worried and it would have to have a very good track record before I would consider it.
     
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    On a belt holster, or IWB (which is how I carry), the extra inch or so of barrel and slide sticking out in front of the leading edge of the trigger guard wouldn't be one whit less concealable. I can't think it would be any different, even for a slightly built individual. I'd rather have the extra velocity, since it comes at zero cost to me in concealability. Perhaps the shorty would be better for pocket carry, and that's what you are thinking of, but I don't pocket carry, so I'd rather have the full length barrel.

    If you're talking about guns, yes. If you're talking about business models, not even remotely. I'm talking about business models. In both cases you have a high quality, small production gun, aimed at a limited market (totally different markets, true, but that's irrelevant to the discussion of business model). The trick is offering it at a price high enough to cover your production costs, but low enough that people are still willing to pay it. You have to do this no matter what kind of gun you are selling, and if you can't, you go out of business.

    See above. The market may be a bit larger than the one for the Automag, but the principle is exactly the same. (And the $1000 price tag will price the Boberg out of most of that market, leaving it restricted to a smaller segment of the market only, where customers are willing to pay the extra cost of the cheaper, more conventional designs out there like the Kahr, Ruger SR9, et al..)

    I hope he does successfully find his niche. I want a Boberg (the full sized one), and I am willing to pay the grand for it if it proves to be a reliable gun. I'm also pleased to see a firearms designer being genuinely innovative, rather than just copying a 1911 or a Glock, like so many others. But I suspect that Boberg would actually want to increase production as much as he possibly can. Higher production generally means economy of scale works in your favor, and you can lower the price. As long as he can do that and maintain quality, he can make more money, and as I said, I suspect he actually wants that a lot.

    I hope it does.

    You're probably right, but desirability is only part of the equation. As I said, you have to offer it at a price that will both cover your production costs, and yet not be high enough to make customers take their cash elsewhere. Lots of gun companies failed through the years because they didn't balance that equation quite right.

    None taken. But you seem to be under the impression that I am sort of rooting for the company's failure, when that is the farthest thing from the truth. I hope very much it succeeds. I'm simply waiting for the company to offer the product I want, and hoping it lasts long enough to do it.
     
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    Good thing it does. Most semiauto shotguns, and belt fed machine guns work that way. It's merely seldom been used for pistols before. But there's absolutely no reason why it need be less reliable than the more conventional designs out there.
     
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    Billy,

    I notice the plastic case the Boberg XR9-S comes in has the foam cut for the "full length" XR9-S, so I'm guessing as soon as Arne gets his ducks in a row the standard length XR9 will show up.:D

    Jesse
     
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    I'm with Billy. Not much interest in the shorty version, but sign me up for the full-sized (which is still pretty small) gun.
     
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    "ugly as Hillary"

    Hopefully it the gun will do its job for full term of ownership unlike Palin?

    :rolleyes:
     
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    PX -15, may you have many years of shooting sports left to you, sir.

    I wouldn't mind trying one, but I won't pay $1000 for a handgun unless it's a SiG P210, and probably not then, either. Maybe someday down the road one will come available to try.
     
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    Hopefully the innovation will strike other manufactures fancy for cheaper.

    That a barrel only makes up half the slide is an obvious problem in today's guns.
     
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    armoredman:

    Thank you, nice sentiment... I'll have my "three score and ten" in the bucket if I don't kick off before Dec 3rd. :what:

    But, for whatever time I still have on the rock, I have more than enough firearms to keep me busy..

    Sig P210? Wonderful weapon, hope you will be able to get one some day. I've had a couple of Sigs over the years (P220/P239), both were excellent.

    As to the price of admission for the new Boberg XR9-S?

    Well, it's expensive, no doubt. But as I said earlier "the heart wants what the heart wants", and at this moment, my heart is whispering to me: "Boberg".. LOL.

    I have several nice 9MM pistols already, so it's not like I "need" another one. My only excuse is that I'm a gun nut, and it seems immediately after I buy my new "best" one, I'll be looking around pretty shortly for the "next" best one.. I'm addicted, no doubt.:banghead:

    Best Wishes,

    Jesse
     
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