Anyone have an Aimpoint on their SOCOM 16?

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I'm trying to figure out if the A.R.M.S. #22M68 is the right mount for my SOCOM. I want to keep the Aimpoint down as low as possible and I was wondering how high it sits in the A.R.M.S. mount. I know one of the dealers online had dimensions on their mounts, but I cant seem to find it now. I was playing with my BSA dot sight and it sits about 25mm above the base to the center line of the sight. Anyone have one on this mount?
 
I'm trying to figure out if the A.R.M.S. #22M68 is the right mount for my SOCOM
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Yes, that would be the correct mount. The Amrs#22m68 QD is compatible with the Socom style scout mount. I know because I have one :)


MaceWindu
 
Hey Mace,
Does your ARMS mount stay tight, or does it move around? I just put mine on and after a trip to the range, its loose enough to move by hand. Had the same problem with another one on my ULTIMAK.
 
ARMS mounts only work with perfect 1913 spec dimensions. If your rail is outside those dimensions, you'll see the problem you describe. Describe the issue to ARMS and ask them to replace the pad on it and that should solve your problem.
 
Does your ARMS mount stay tight, or does it move around? I just put mine on and after a trip to the range, its loose enough to move by hand.
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Sorry I took so long to respond. Firewall @ work wont let me access the site. Okay the solution to your problem is this:

Use a bit of Blue loctite when assembling the 22M68 QD ring. When you screw the ring to the base of the QD mount, use some BLUE loctite on the screws (drop some in the hole FIRST, then the put in the screws) . Let the mount sit for a day for the loctite to dry and you will be GOOD TO GO.


Bartholomew Roberts:

I don't believe he was talking about the ARMS #18, just the 22M68 QD ring/ mount.

Mine never come loose!

MaceWindu

M1A Loaded w/ Aimpoint:
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Custom Mini-14 w/ Aimpoint:
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Mmmm, email notification must not be working. :)


Mace,
Thanks for getting back to me. The problem I'm having is the mount sliding on the rail. I did Loctite the hell out of everything when I put it together. I own stock in the stuff. :)


ARMS mounts only work with perfect 1913 spec dimensions. If your rail is outside those dimensions, you'll see the problem you describe.
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This seems to be the problem. From what I'm hearing, they are noted for also not working on mil-spec rails too. The SOCOM's rail is DEFINEITLY NOT mil spec. Its not even close. I just swapped the ARMS for a Larue mount and it wont even go on the rail because the slots are not in the right place. It does fit on my Ultimak real well. I have another Aimoint on it, and it too was on a #22M68, and it too slipped and would not tighten down. The Ultimak does appear to be spec, at least what I measured with my calipers was. The Larue is a real nice mount and worth the couple of extra bucks over the ARMS it costs. It has a lever that is adjustable for tension, doing away with the ARMS problem. Onliest problem is, it wont fit on the SOCOM's rail so I'm still SOL in that department. I guess I'll have to call ARMS and see what they can do. You would figure that Springfield would use a mil-spec rail on a gun they call "SOCOM", wouldnt you? :rolleyes:

Thanks for the help boys :)
 
Very nice, Mace; very nice indeed!

Would you happen to have any range reports with that M1A?

Please forgive the blonde question, but what are the specs that are being referred to? What are the actual rail dimensions (and the same for the rails that don't work)?

Susan's getting interested in setting up an AR with an Aimpoint, you see.

:D

Thanks!

Trisha
 
Very nice, Mace; very nice indeed!
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Thank you !

Would you happen to have any range reports with that M1A?
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I have had some mods done to it. Unitized gas system, trigger job, tightened up the fit to the stock.

I can get 1.5 inch groups with open sights with good ammo, could just be me though. A more proficient shooter could do better. The Aimpoint is FAST. The gong on the 100m range gets lit up!! Shot after shot.

This one is #1 of 3. My newest is a Fulton Bush..

MaceWindu
 
This seems to be the problem. From what I'm hearing, they are noted for also not working on mil-spec rails too. The SOCOM's rail is DEFINEITLY NOT mil spec. Its not even close.
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Yes, I think a fair percentage of mount problems may also lie on ARMS end; but you wouldn't know it from talking with them. To hear them tell it, all ARMS mounts are unquestionably in spec and if it weren't for the plethora of non-spec rails they would never have a problem [:)].

Sad to hear that about the SOCOM, that is disappointing to find out it is so far out of whack that even the Larue won't fit on it. Looks like you may have to contact ARMS for a new pad or try slipping a small piece of soda can in there to shim the mount. It works; but most people aren't real happy to have to mount their optic that way given the money involved.
 
It is annoying that Springfield's mount is "who knows what" for spec, you'd have figured they would at least be close, especially for the type rifle that it is. Its also annoying that ARMS doesnt take into account all the differences and at least address it. They must hear about it a lot. Larues mount is the sheet, if it only had one pad on the underside I'm pretty sure it would have worked. The double pad does make for a rock solid mount. I do like the way the lever is adjustable for tension. Comparing the two side by side, I think the Larue is the nicer mount. I'm just now headed out to re-zero my AK with it on it. I'm going to look at the SOCOM mount and see if a little judicious filing might not get the Larue to fit. I just love filing on new, expensive guns. :)
 
Hmmmm....

I have a SA Scout and the rail is good to go. It seems to fall within specs. I have had an Aimpoint with and Arms #22M68 mounted on it with no issues. Now I have an EoTech mounted on my Scout and with no issues. I would contact SA and hve them send you a NEW rail.

Here is the Scout with the SA rail and Eotech:
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MaceWindu
 
Mace,
When I compare my Ultimak rail to my Springfield rail, you can see the difference right away. I believe the Ultimak is mil-spec as it mic's that way and is just continuous slots for the whole rail. The Springfield's rail is not continuous, but has three slots interrupted by a section thats not slotted and then three more slots, at least thats how mine is. Is yours the same? My Springfield rail doesnt mic, the raised portion of the slot specifically, (Springfield is 0.140, spec is 0.184) the groove portion seems to be right. Since the raised portion is smaller, the center to center dimension is not correct. This really doesnt matter in the case of the #22M68 as it only has one (narrow) cross bar, but the Larue has two to spec and they wont fit Springfields slots. I have two #22M68's and they both move on both rails, so it looks like the mounts are both screwed up anyway. At this point I'm going to send them back to ARMS and then probably sell them when they come back. The Larue works great on the Ultimak and if I can figure out if I can file some or all of one of the slots off the SOCOM's rail, I'm probably going to get another one for it . I have a set of ARMS #22 lever rings for the SOCOM for a Burris Scout scope. They seem to be snug enough, although I havent shot it with that set up on there yet and I want to wait until I do before I start to file away. If your rail is the same as mine, I dont think another from Springfield is going to do me any good, especially for the Larue mount.
 
Thanks Mace. Looks like they have some nice stuff. Have you tried their extended bolt release?
 
Have you tried their extended bolt release?
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Are you kidding?! ALL of my M1A's have that bolt release. Just like an AR, when the bolt locks back after the last round, the extended bolt release STICKS out.

Rock a fresh mag in and hit the bolt release (with L/Hand) and the bolt slams home...

It's GTG.....I would highly recommend it...


MaceWindu
 
I actually have a Tacpoint (Aimpoint knockoff) and I have to say for something a third of the price, it's pretty darn good.

I once left it on with the brightest setting for over a week. At the end of the week it was still bright with no visibile reduction in intensity. Whether or not it will work the 10,000 hours an aimpoint is supposed to do I highly doubt it.

However for those of us who are not in the "business", this is a good compromise. And plus it makes me want to save money to buy a real aimpoint down the line.
 
Hey mace,
What did you pay for the bolt stop? Did you also get the op rod spring guide too? I keep emailing the boy but get no reply back.
 
I think the socom rail is weaver. I would recommend this mount:

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Because the arms throwlever sits higher. frankly, my true recommendation is forget about the rail and use the irons. The XS sigts are excellent.
 
Actually, I'm thinking about ditching the front sight for a standard one or maybe going to a Smith Enterprise FS with a Vortex flash suppressor, if they will fit. That fat front sight is OK for close up, but at its getting iffy for me at 100 yards and forget anything past that. The Aimpoint has it all over the iron sights as far as I'm concerned, especially for fast shooting in any light. I'm looking for quick on/off mounts with good return to zero capabilities. It would be nice if the ARMS would both work and sit lower, and the Larue even better, as its tension adjustable, but they are what they are and really were not made for this rifle anyway. Hopefully, that will change down the road if they become more prevalent/popular. I would like to get the Aimpoint lower, and that ring your showing looks as it would do the trick height wise. I did get my Scout scope with the ARMS #22 lever rings to work and it seems to hold zero just fine. They would slide individually under hand pressure, but when the front ring is slid tight forward against its block and the rear one tight rearward against its block and then the scope mounted to the rings, there is no movement. Once zeroed, I was swapping it back and forth with the Aimpoint every couple of mags and the scope was right on each time. Even the Aimpoint was holding pretty well, even with it moving, so until I can find something else, I'll see how it goes.
 
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