M-Rex
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blackrazor said:
Get used to disappointment.
You have a lot of adolescent anger left over, and no small amount of paranoia. Your post above sounds like a classic persecution complex.
Seek help.
Anyone know any felon shooters?
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Get used to disappointment.
You have a lot of adolescent anger left over, and no small amount of paranoia. Your post above sounds like a classic persecution complex.
Seek help.
neoncowboy
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Oh yeah, of course. Just as you are entirely entitled to your self-righteousness and holier-than-thou-ness
My thoughts exactly.
I don't support charities that contribute to values contrary to mine. I wouldn't work for a company that leaned into values/principals that I don't support. I don't even by products from companies that support causes I don't agree with. What does it say about a man if he joins forces with today's American government?
There's too many infractions on the part of government to excuse. By joining their ranks, you are ultimately putting your seal of approval on their actions, policies, methods and objectives.
No way I could do that, but whatever works for you.
I thought THR was a forum about freedom and liberty as much as anything else. Sadly, our government is not a champion of the freedoms of the individuals who give it it's power.
M-Rex
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neoncowboy said:Oh yeah, of course. Just as you are entirely entitled to your self-righteousness and holier-than-thou-ness
My thoughts exactly.
I don't support charities that contribute to values contrary to mine. I wouldn't work for a company that leaned into values/principals that I don't support. I don't even by products from companies that support causes I don't agree with. What does it say about a man if he joins forces with today's American government?
There's too many infractions on the part of government to excuse. By joining their ranks, you are ultimately putting your seal of approval on their actions, policies, methods and objectives.
No way I could do that, but whatever works for you.
I thought THR was a forum about freedom and liberty as much as anything else. Sadly, our government is not a champion of the freedoms of the individuals who give it it's power.
Actually, most of the legal and political talk on the forum just ends up being an exercise in spouting anti-cop hate and bigotry, or libertarian prosleytizing.
M-Rex
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And yet, spot on correct as evidenced by your bewailing reaction.
neoncowboy
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I've noticed here and elsewhere that you guys seem really, really sensitive about this. Is there something to that?
I don't hate cops. I like to try to give cops the benefit of the doubt and assume that they made it into their jobs just due to idealism and ignorance of the bigger picture. I'd love to develop a relationship with a law enforcement professional that I might be able to see that side of the whole thing and work through the issues with someone from the other side. Most of them I meet though, just don't have any interest in exploring philosophy and fly off with the cop hating bigotry crap whenever questions about their performance/actions are raised.
This is something I have been struggling with a lot lately. Pardon my awkwawrdness while I try to work through it. It's hard to balance the desire to be one of the good guys, a team player, a loyal American, law abiding citizen, etc and all...with a very real and very justified suspicion of government. In a lot of instances, the cops are out of line and there's all kinds of instances where the law has stepped way, way outside of the authority we gave it in the constitution.
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neoncowboy said:
Trust me, man. I know where you're coming from. And, believe it or not, I applaud you for trying to look at both sides.
Only that whenever society has an ill, the first reaction is something along the lines of "no justice, no peace", or "f*ck da po-lice", or some idiot spouting off lines from Animal Farm. Bad law comes down the pike? Blame law enforcement for 'enforcing tyranny'. Someone get's robbed? Blame law enforcement for not getting there quick enough. Someone get's a ticket? Blame law enforcement for not concentrating on real crime. Some criminal gets shot? Blame law enforcement for using too much force. Some criminal get's away? Blame law enforcement for having 'no duty to protect'.
I think there is some merit to what one of our instructors told us the first week of the academy. "If you want to be liked, go be a fireman."
People react to police officers the same way they react to parents. Law enforcement are the folks who say "No". No one likes to be told 'no'.
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still waiting for your answer to either question M-Rex, I'm not going anywhere, what are you afraid of? Your little quips don't change the fact that you continue to fail to answer any real questions, you just reply with endless rhetoric. I'll answer any of your questions, the least you could do would be to return the favor.
Your argument might benefit if you actually participated in the discussion... as it stands, all you seem capable of doing is copying and pasting pre-drafted responses from some handbook.
Sorry if the libertarian bent on this board offends you M-Rex. Being that libertarianism is the opposite of authoritarianism, I guess I can see why you hate it so much, you've made that clear enough.
Your argument might benefit if you actually participated in the discussion... as it stands, all you seem capable of doing is copying and pasting pre-drafted responses from some handbook.
Sorry if the libertarian bent on this board offends you M-Rex. Being that libertarianism is the opposite of authoritarianism, I guess I can see why you hate it so much, you've made that clear enough.
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Keep waiting.
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I don't need to keep waiting, your cowardly refusal to answer *any* question is just as informative to me and everyone else here when it comes to determining what sort of person you are. Your attitude comes as no surprise to me; I've seen it from your kind many times before, and I'm sure I'll see it again.
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blackrazor said:I don't need to keep waiting, your cowardly refusal to answer *any* question is just as informative to me and everyone else here when it comes to determining what sort of person you are. Your attitude comes as no surprise to me; I've seen it from your kind many times before, and I'm sure I'll see it again.
Really?
My 'kind'? How enlightened.
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Not True
Don't believe everything 'they' tell you.
I know a person here in S.C. that was convicted of a felony close to 30 years ago.. they never served time for it but could have, just had to pay a fine...but this is enough of a crime that they can't serve on Jury Duty. They like to shoot and recently decided to try and get a CWP in the state. On the form they listed their conviction along with the usual traffic violations. CCW permit came in the mail 90 days later. It seems that the state knows more than we do.
Don't believe everything 'they' tell you.
I know a person here in S.C. that was convicted of a felony close to 30 years ago.. they never served time for it but could have, just had to pay a fine...but this is enough of a crime that they can't serve on Jury Duty. They like to shoot and recently decided to try and get a CWP in the state. On the form they listed their conviction along with the usual traffic violations. CCW permit came in the mail 90 days later. It seems that the state knows more than we do.
entropy
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I guess what blackrazor is so eloquently trying to say is; When a New Orleans type situation comes down in your jurisdiction, and you are given orders to attempt to disarm law-abiding gun owners whose only "crime" is trying to prevent their untimely demise at the hands of those who think nothing of taking a life to gain a pack of cigarettes, you will have a decision to make. The Molon Labe in your sigline says one thing, you seem to be saying another. Food for thought.
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I was going to address this once more--but since it's not good manners to hijack a thread, I'll start another one.
M-Rex
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When did this go from a discussion on whether or not felons should have firearms to whether or not I will confiscate guns from people?entropy said:I guess what blackrazor is so eloquently trying to say is; When a New Orleans type situation comes down in your jurisdiction, and you are given orders to attempt to disarm law-abiding gun owners whose only "crime" is trying to prevent their untimely demise at the hands of those who think nothing of taking a life to gain a pack of cigarettes, you will have a decision to make. The Molon Labe in your sigline says one thing, you seem to be saying another. Food for thought.
'blackrazor' is not interested in an answer to his inane question. He is simply looking for another demon to point his finger at to justify his anti-cop bigotry. I'm his 'flavor-of-the-month'.
neoncowboy
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There's not really any excuse for the way you as an individual are being treated here (by blackrazor particularly)...but I can see the connection.
What we're really talking about is the point at which government crosses the line. As an agent of the government, one might be the individual out at the tip of that spear, so to speak. It was an individual who set fire to the compound at Waco, for example...even though the government bears ultimate responsibility, the individuals participating are also culpable.
Soul searching is in order...there seems to me to be a point in our government's evolution coming soon where men of good conscience simply can't support the actions of their government with their participation.
What we're really talking about is the point at which government crosses the line. As an agent of the government, one might be the individual out at the tip of that spear, so to speak. It was an individual who set fire to the compound at Waco, for example...even though the government bears ultimate responsibility, the individuals participating are also culpable.
Soul searching is in order...there seems to me to be a point in our government's evolution coming soon where men of good conscience simply can't support the actions of their government with their participation.
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neoncowboy said:
Good point.
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Not only that, but he refuses to pay me royalties.entropy said:
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The check's in the mail. Honest.Molon Labe said:Not only that, but he refuses to pay me royalties.
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Essex County said:
That’s because there isn’t one. If we can’t trust ex-felons with firearms, how can we trust them with automobiles, which are far more dangerous? Not that it matters in either case, of course, because criminals can always get guns and cars.
~G. Fink
NineseveN
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That's a completely unfair and ridiculous statement without basis or merit. Bad n00b. Bad, bad n00b!! :banghead:
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IL. Felon with a FOID? We'll see.
I am a convicted felon and live in Illinois. 27 years ago I was convicted of having a quantity of pot. Since then I've worked at the same place for 22 years, become a home owner and been as law abiding as any non felon. Being that was my first and last offense I was sentanced to 3 years probation that I completed without issue and I've never been to prison. The wife has her IL. FOID so we can have guns & ammo in the house, my house. We are responsible-safe gun owners and shoot 2 or 3 times a month during the summer at her mother's farm. There is also an outdoor range here in IL. that does not ask for nor require a FOID to shoot but they charge $20 for all day and we shoot there once in awhile.
I have applied for an IL FOID. And I answered 'Yes' to the application question 'Have you ever been convicted of a felony?' As a result I was initialy denied and am in the process of appealing the denial which includes getting the court records of my felony case and 3 letters of character referrance. As I understand if the case does not include any aggravation, violence or anything of a forcible nature they may grant the FOID. I sent it all off Thanksgiving weekend. Hope I get it because I would like to join the Il. Rifle Assn. and shoot at some of the indoor ranges during the winter. And, I very much prefer to follow the letter of the law.
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I am a convicted felon and live in Illinois. 27 years ago I was convicted of having a quantity of pot. Since then I've worked at the same place for 22 years, become a home owner and been as law abiding as any non felon. Being that was my first and last offense I was sentanced to 3 years probation that I completed without issue and I've never been to prison. The wife has her IL. FOID so we can have guns & ammo in the house, my house. We are responsible-safe gun owners and shoot 2 or 3 times a month during the summer at her mother's farm. There is also an outdoor range here in IL. that does not ask for nor require a FOID to shoot but they charge $20 for all day and we shoot there once in awhile.
I have applied for an IL FOID. And I answered 'Yes' to the application question 'Have you ever been convicted of a felony?' As a result I was initialy denied and am in the process of appealing the denial which includes getting the court records of my felony case and 3 letters of character referrance. As I understand if the case does not include any aggravation, violence or anything of a forcible nature they may grant the FOID. I sent it all off Thanksgiving weekend. Hope I get it because I would like to join the Il. Rifle Assn. and shoot at some of the indoor ranges during the winter. And, I very much prefer to follow the letter of the law.
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