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Anyone know if these Polish P-64 Makarovs are any good?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by DarkKnight01, Apr 21, 2005.

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  1. DarkKnight01

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    I don't own one. But I have read quite a bit about them. They aren't Makarovs. They are labelled as such, but their parts and design are different. A Makarov is considered to be the more solid pistol of the two, since there just isn't much that has gone wrong with the Makarov.
     
  3. White Horseradish

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    Those are not really Makarovs. They are mistakenly called Makarov because of the caliber.

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  4. DarkKnight01

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    Ok I see, its got the Makarov tag coz it fires the 9x18mm mak cartridge... interesting, they sure look neat, I just might have to try one, If anything itll be a range toy, but If it prooves itsself reliable id carry it =) a lil better than the .380 and looks to be about the same size.

    Please keep the replies coming, id like to know more about these.
     
  5. eagle45

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    Here is the place to look:

    http://www.gunboards.com/forums/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=3

    I don't own one, I do have one of the Bulgarian Maks which is a good little shooter, but a little hard on the hands. As I remember, they are not thoiught of as highly as the Maks.
     
  6. Dave Markowitz

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    RON in PA used to have one. Workmanship was pretty good but it had a DA pull worse than an AMT Backup .45 DAO. IOW, the DA was so heavy as to be unusable.

    For a shooter, a Makarov is far superior. As a collector's piece, they are kinda neat.
     
  7. SouthpawShootr

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    Handled a few. Almost bought one. Then I thought I'd wait around a little and see if these are brought into the country in large numbers. I worry about spare parts. Hate to break something down the line and not be able to get parts for it. May pick one up anyway.
     
  8. Snake Eyes

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    For the prices in those GA links you posted ($190), why wouldn't you just buy an actual, honest to goodness Makarov?

    Thereby avoiding any unknowns or pitfalls, and ensuring yourself a vast database of support?

    Huh? Why? :)

    Just asking! ;) :confused: ;)
     
  9. Walt Sherrill

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    Put simply, don't go there. Even with work, the trigger is almost unusable. (Think bumper jack attached to the front of a 1947 Buick.)

    A good Mak is a far superior weapon. (Some of the new imports may even be cheaper... and a more-pricey East German Mak is generally outstanding.)
     
  10. DarkKnight01

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    Coz I already have an EG Mak =) (well actually my lady does its her carry piece, im in the market for a Bulgy atm) Just thought it might be worth looking at this Polish wannabe Walther =) the horrific tales of the trigger have turned me off it tho, If I want something In a similar platform ill pick up a bersa thunder heh.
     
  11. Trebor

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    Don't bother. A friend of mine bought one and I tried it. The trigger pull is EXTREMELY heavy and the gun is just about unshootable because of it. I've heard the spring can be replaced, but I'd just go with a Mak instead.
     
  12. M2 Carbine

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    I liked them enough to buy 3.

    They are accurate (about 10 inches at 50 yards).
    Reliable.
    Slightly smaller than a Makarov.
    They look and feel smaller than the Makarov, but they are almost the same size.

    They have a pretty good kick.
    An almost unusable double action trigger.
    Small sights.

    Some have had trouble with the thumb safety when new. Easily fixed.

    If you already have a Makarov or a few, the P-64 is an interesting addition, but it isn't the gun the Mak is and costs as much.

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    50 yards
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  13. DarkKnight01

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    Thx for the comparison pic M2 carbine, and yea that would be my only real reason, would be to have it just to have it, already have a nice EG and in the market for a bulgy.. the P-64 just looks neat =)
     
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    As a collectable they certainly have a place in your safe, but as far as quality is concerned; in a country where Makarovs can be bought for <$150 these should be selling for about $80.
     
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    Yes DarkKnight01, as Teakwood and c_yeager say $190 is too high.

    If you buy it "just to have it" I think you will enjoy it.

    We have one fun contest where we shoot the BG to save the hostage. The hostage is rewarding you with new cars, money, guns, airplanes, etc for shooting the BG without hitting her.

    The other shooters harass the shooter while he's trying to concentrate. :neener:
    Good fun.

    I like using the P-64 for this, because it's so accurate and has small sights.

    The last contest we had, the P-64 was putting so many shots in the same hole in the BG's head we were argueing over whether I was shooting off the target.:D

    This is one of the targets, using a Kel Tec 380.
    We usually shoot this target from 5 or 6 yards but this was a little closer as I recall.
    It's a scaled down Texas CHL target with a head added.

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    How the nation that created the excellent Radom and the well made cold-war era TT-33 pistols could issue P-64s is beyond me. The Da trigger is for gorillas, essentialy unusable, and the recoil is very uncomfortable. One or two Polish posters have made negative comments about the P-64. :barf: :barf:
     
  18. Ascot500

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    Hey M2 Carbine,
    You mentioned the accuracy of the P-64. How does it compare with the Makarov?
     
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    Thx for the info all, Its not a must have, but If I come across one for a good price Ill probably pick one up just to have.
     
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    As my last name ends with -ski, I had to have one. Pretty well machined, decent blue. All in all a pretty cool gun that I have never carried and lives in my safe. And, one further comment on the trigger, I've had Craftsman staple guns with much better triggers.
     
  21. M2 Carbine

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    Hey M2 Carbine,
    You mentioned the accuracy of the P-64. How does it compare with the Makarov?
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    The P-64 is pretty accurate.
    I think the 9x18 is basically an accurate round.
    The 2 Hungarian PA63 (9x18) pistols I've owned were also accurate.

    The P-64 may be as accurate as the Makarov but it's harder to shoot as well as the Makarov, IMHO.
    Bad trigger, hard recoil and smaller grip make it harder for me to shoot as well as the Mak.

    But it's a challange and fun to shoot. :)
     
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    Hi everyone, I am a proud owner of a P64, it's my service pistol since they're still issued to police officers fresh out of academy, the truth is:
    - the gun is relatively heavy, even unloaded it weighs about 600 grams
    - the grip is too short so you cannot really handle the recoil properly
    - the sights are too thin and they're not marked in any way so aiming in artificial light is kinda tough, the good thing though is they dont bend or get damaged in service conditions since theyre made of metal
    - they require large amounts of tar when cleaning otherwise they are heavy to operate and may jam, I always hev to wipe the tar off the clip when unloading
    - the gun is well made though, it was the flagship of Polish short arms industry in the '60s, mine is 1976 and still in almost pristine condition
    - the worst disadvantage: the trigger pull, it was supposed to be an additional safety feature that would prevent premature shots when holding the finger on the trigger - I think it may be compared to the Anti Stress mechanism on Walther P99, even though the one on P64 is quite primitive

    MOST IMPORTANTLY the P64 is not a Mak, it only looks like one, but the mechanisms are similar to those of Walther PPK (e.g. the trigger guard is hinged and it serves as a disassembling catch as in PPK), the P64 is supposed to be shot from SA only which is unreasonable for a service pistol
     
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    I used to own one...

    It was pretty good looking, nice deep finish on it.

    Kicked like a mule, though. Ergonomics left much to be desired = painful recoil.

    As has been said, the double action trigger pull is atrocious. It's up around 20lbs. Many folks put in a Walther spring to lighten it up and are quite pleased with the outcome.

    The single action trigger on mine was as smooth as fresh butter; but long. Could barely feel the "moment before the shot". It was smooth..smooth..smooth..BANG.

    I MIGHT pick up another one in the future...

    -J-
     
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    I have taken mine to the range a few times now. I am going to use it to qualify for my ccw permit. As has been said in previous post the accuracy is just amazing for a small pistol with small sites. Groups of less than a quarter size are common at 30ft. Really a fun gun to shoot but would not want to shoot it all day.
     
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