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Anyone seen new Mexican Army issue rifle?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Min, Sep 28, 2006.

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  1. Jorg Nysgerrig

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    For the zillionth time, the Geneva Convention(s) doesn't say a thing about expanding ammo. That's the Hague Declaration of 1899. And yes, Mexico did sign that.
     
  2. Thin Black Line

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    And, technically, isn't that restriction just against other uniformed soldiers?
     
  3. ArmedBear

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    What are they going to do with their current-issue muskets?

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  4. MechAg94

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    If you can't reach with the bayonet, you take a couple steps further. However, I was under the impression that the danger of a bayonet charge was not just getting stuck, but getting you head bashed in by the follow up hit with the rifle butt. Hard to say whether modern plastic rifles would have the same effect though.
     
  5. BIGDADDYLONGSTROKE

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    Sorry wasnt trying to get any feathers ruffled, just didnt know. I wasnt around in 1899, heck I wasnt even around in 1979. I was wondering if there restricted to the same things we are here in USA.:)
     
  6. Evil Monkey

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    I like the Norweigan G36KV better. It has the bolt release in the trigger guard, man. Come on you can't beat that.:)

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  7. Carl N. Brown

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    wonder if...

    In 1970 the Mexican govt passed gun laws so restrictive
    they closed most of the 500 or so gun shops in Mexico
    at the time.

    Rafael Mendoza was a brilliant gun designer who produced
    some interesting designs for the military. His company also
    produced some .22 sporter designs, but the Mexican
    government's paranoia about revolutions pretty much
    stifles legal private gun ownership and domestic
    manufacture. That makes Mexico dependent too much on
    foriegn arms makers for its military.
     
  8. Eightball

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    Correct me if i'm wrong, but it seems as though that rifle is a mix between the G36C and the (no-defunct) XM8. Is it possible that they picked up the XM8 idea (plastic rifle), maybe cashed in on the US's pouring money into the R&D on the program? If that is their "new" rifle, and the "shorty" version is going to their commandoes/specops, should we expect a longer, "rifle" version for the "masses" in the army soon enough?

    Just a question/guess.
     
  9. SnakeEater

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    And continue to be better armed than the average American soldier. Seriously though, how cool would one of those HK's be as a war trophy bring back?
     
  10. orangelo

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    I thought the optics/carry handle of the G36 was supposed to be the best thing since sliced bread? How come they stripped those off and went to irons?
     
  11. HorseSoldier

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    My guess would be that iron sights plus a picatinny rail is both a cheaper arrangement and a more versatile, flexible, and adaptable one. I doubt they have the money to give every joe (jose?) in the army optics more advanced than irons, and the rail means their guys who do warrant optics can tailor them to mission, etc. (And since their top end guys get a lot of training from our top end guys, I suspect they tend to emulate our developments in kit in some key ways, like modular versus fixed optics.)
     
  12. Min

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  13. modifiedbrowning

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    This is the second pic I have seen of these rifles and I am still wondering about the placement of the iron sights. Wouldn't you want to place them at the extreme ends of the rail to increase your sight radius and also allow clearance for an optic if used?
     
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    Why is that skeletonized plastic stock so darn thick??? I thought plastic would allow you to make things smaller/lighter......?

    I've seen plenty of skeletonized AR stocks smaller than that.
     
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    [/QUOTE]And continue to be better armed than the average American soldier. Seriously though, how cool would one of those HK's be as a war trophy bring back?[QUOTE/]

    You may not like the M16, but facts are facts. The G3 is an antique. While the M16 is currently being used by a wide array of special forces troops that can carry anything they want, the G3 is collecting dust in the armories of various assorted 3rd world craphole countries.

    I don't have anything against the G3. In fact I'd like to own one to help round out my collection. However, to say that it is front line kit in the year 2006 requires one to completely ignore reality.
     
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  18. roscoe

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    Shermans? Is that really true? I wonder if I could buy one.
     
  19. .45Guy

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    No prob, It's a shame they've been so screwed by corrupt governments.
     
  20. Raygun

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    It may not be quite that simple. What I've read on other forums (I believe this was from a Mexican poster on militaryphotos.net: here's the link) was that the Mexican government was planning on contracting HK for the design and tool manufacture for a rifle based on the G36 and Mexican specs. The price HK quoted for the whole shebang was apparently considered a bit much, so the Mexican government decided to handle the design work in-house (to avoid the costs of German engineering and the production license) and buy just the tooling from HK to save a chunk of change (about $47 million Euros, according to this).

    So the FX-05 isn't "simply a version of the G36K". Patented features of the G36 were apparently replaced with non-infringing designs (trigger mechanism, charging handle, gas piston, etc...) and other things were added. Like the stock, for example, and the top rail being part of the receiver mold.

    I would think so. I have no idea why the front sight was attached so far back on the rail at the parade (all of them with irons appear to be that way: on the seventh rail from the front). Could be they just popped 'em out of their shipping crates and handed 'em out right at the beginning of the parade. Who knows?

    Probably for stability. It retracts and folds, kind of like the stock on the FN SCAR.
     
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  21. Min

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    Okay now the real question: Would you buy one for $999.00?
     
  22. Evil Monkey

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    Dude, that's a STEAL at that price. Seeing the prices for the XCR, SIG556, gas piston AR's, a $1,000 for a FX05 is a steal.
     
  23. EOTechRulesAll

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    What's the price-tag on that rifle though? I would imagine Mexico was concerned about the price and that is why they made a knock-off of the HK weapon rather than buying their own? Although it might just be they don't want to be dependent on a foreign nation for a steady flow of new rifles?
     
  24. Coronach

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    Yes, but I'm willing to bet money that if the 7.62 NATO rifle that we had collecting dust in our armouries was stamped "G3" instead of "M-14", they would be out getting dusty in the sandbox- from hard use.

    The point is that the full-power rifle has different capabilities and limitations than the intermediate-power assault rifle, and both are proving to be pretty useful out on the pointy end of the spear.

    Mike
     
  25. EOTechRulesAll

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    What I want is a 7.62mm NATO caseless rifle with a magazine of at least 30-50 rounds. I want it to be less than 8 pounds total in weight, and I want it fully-customizable with an effective range of at least 900 meters.

    Yah, I want it all, don't I?

    Somebody really should make the 7.62mm round in a caseless form...
     
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