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Anyone still using .45 GAP?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Yo Mama, Feb 2, 2013.

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  1. Walt Sherrill

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    I buy most of my .45 GAP from Georgia Arms, and they'll probably continue to have that caliber for a long time to come. (They can arguably fabricate cases pretty easily.)

    I don't know that .45 GAP is on the decline -- but agree that it never really TOOK OFF
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    If ammo makers and reloaders can continue to sell 10MM and .32 Magnum, they'll probably continue to sell .45 GAP, too. There was a lot of .38 Special available during the current shortage, but that alone doesn't mean that they'll stop loading that round...
     
  2. Ash

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    Yeah, but the .38 special is not targeted by the anti's - apples and oranges.

    Auto pistols are, yet suddenly the only thing easy to get in quantity is GAP.
     
  3. Soldiernurse

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    This thread has been fascinating. The other day I ordered a Gen 4 Glock 30. The salesman told me the G4 G30 w/o a backstrap is smaller than the SF. This talk of the .45GAP intrigues me since I have small hands. However, since the G30 is a sub-compact I hope I made the right decision. I'm a CHL guy not a LEO. I may not EDC the G30 but wanted to add a 45 to my little armory.
     
  4. CLP

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    Another reason I like shooting my G37 is that I can actually find brass in stock for 45 GAP.
     
  5. Ash

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    For now...
     
  6. Walt Sherrill

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    Ash? Why do you care?
     
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    I don't, any more than I care if a tree across the road dies and falls into the forest. It does not change an observation one way or the other. Finding brass in stock right now does not make it superior, only convenient as the more used rounds are gone.

    You suppose the ammo manufacturers are churning out any GAP right now? Probably not.

    I don't care, just making the devil's advocate observation...not trying to step on toes.
     
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    If anyone made a PM40-sized gun in GAP, 357SIG or 5.7X28 I'd buy one...of each!
     
  9. Walt Sherrill

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    I was just curious, as in my experience people who really don't care about something seldom invest time and effort in being critical about the thing they really don't care about...
     
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    Educational thread. When Walt talks I listen.
     
  11. Walt Sherrill

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    The Kahr PM45 is pretty close: 1/2" higher, .2" longer, and 2 oz. heavier than the PM40. It's available in .45 ACP, not .45 GAP. It's 5+1,( or 6+1 or7+1 if you use other Kahr mags.) I assume the mags from the larger ?P45 guns are interchangeable, but that may NOT be the case. I have handled one, and didn't find the grip to be too large, but didn't examine THAT aspect of it all that closely.
     
  12. Texshooter

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    Well, does not R Lee

    still carry one? There ya go.

    I have a chance to buy one at a really low price, so I started looking at ammo yesterday.

    I actuall found more GAP & ACP than anything else.

    Both seemed to be about the same price.

    I think about 5 State Patrol agencies use them, but not sure.

    Might get it coz of price.

    Mid size - Mod 38?
     
  13. Walt Sherrill

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    That's what I got. Unfired, from a local seller, for $350. Didn't see how I could go wrong.

    If I have to eventually find a conversion barrel (none are made now, that I can find), or a different slide (if that's even possible), I'll go that route. In the meantime, I've got a gun I like a lot.
     
  14. Maj Dad

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    Local PD recently (year or so I think) switched to GAP. At least they have a 45 cal slug.
     
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    If St. Gaston of Polymer was writing me checks I would carry one too.:evil:

    As of last week a lonely Model something or other in .45GAP was still the only Glock left in the case at my LGS.

    As for brass... used .45ACP brass is free to dirt cheap.
     
  16. Walt Sherrill

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    Can't that be converted to .45 GAP pretty easily?
     
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    I'm not a fan of Glocks. Not that I hate them, I just don't own any.
    I do own a XD LE in 45GAP. I really like it and it shoots well.
    I don't know how long ammo will be easily available, but I guess Since Glock is the most sold handgun manufacturer year after year I bet it will be around as long as they want it to be. Also since they developed the round it will be here for awhile. YMMV
     
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    There are a few European ammo manufacturers that are now making .45GAP ammo for the European markets.

    .45GAP can be legally owned in countries that prohibits their citizens from possessing calibers that are in use by their Gov/Mil/LE.

    Which is why HS PRodukt is still making HS-2000 pistols in .45GAP. Even though Springfield Armory no longer imports it to the USA.
     
  19. PabloJ

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    With availability of G21SF and Gen IV G21 it should be on it's "last legs". I would not touch
    .45GAP chambered gun with a flag pole.
     
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    I want one for no other reason than the appearance of the cartridge. I have a thing for short, squat cartridges (which is possibly why I like the .380 and 9x18).

    It's on my list.
     
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    An acquaintance of mine just picked up a Ruger SR1911 at Cabela's a couple weeks ago. This was his first handgun and a pretty nice one. I turns out the friendly folks at Cabela's sent him home with four boxes of 45GAP ammo go with it. I will ask the details but is their any interest from folks to buy this ammo.

    I almost bought a baby glock in 45 until I saw it said 45 gap. That was a huge deal breaker for me.
     
  22. Walt Sherrill

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    RE: .45 GAP...

    All sorts of obscure calibers are still available, even though there aren't a LOT of guns out there that use them. About the only round I've seen die out over the last 20 years or so is .41AE. I'll bet there are as many .45 GAP guns out there as 10mm; 10mm ammo continues to be available.

    I don't reload, but I understand that .45 GAP can be adapted from the .45 ACP case pretty easily, I would expect reloaders and vendors like Georgia Arms (one of my favorite ammo sources) to have .45 GAP available for a long time to come.

    The last time I bought in bulk, right before the current hysteria, I got 500 rounds of .45 GAP from Georgia Arms for the same price as .45 ACP, and later bought another half-case of .45 GAP from MidwayUSA, paying only a modest premium over .45 ACP.

    .45 GAP may eventually go away, but if IT does, so will 10mm, .45 LC, .44 Magnum, .38 Super, etc., etc., etc. For the same reasons...
     
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    If I were unfortunate to live in one of those countries this would be all the justification for the GAP ever needed.

    I don't have one and I doubt I ever will, but there is this very specific niche it fills that gives it a value beyond the guns and the ballistic comparisons. If your government won't let you own an ACP then the GAP starts to look pretty darned good.

    Ask yourself which you would rather the Mexican border guard find rolling around in your trunk: a single forgotten round of 45 GAP or a round of 9mm? Hint---one of them sends you to prison.
     
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    If they narrowed the .45ACP magazine to only accept 10 rounds, wouldn't most people be able to grip it? Isn't that what other manufacturers did instead of designing a brand new cartridge?
     
  25. PabloJ

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    It's rumored to be used by NYS, PA, SC, GA and FL State Police. I would not touch anything chambered with this cartridge with a flag pole.
     
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