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Anyone using RG4895 Surplus powder

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by hawmanai, Jul 16, 2009.

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  1. hawmanai

    hawmanai Member

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    Just saw that Wideners is selling Surplus Military Powder from Radway Green of Great Britain. It is as used in 7.62 x 51 (308) Radway Green ammunition.

    Just seeing how it worked out for you.
     
  2. Lovesbeer99

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    Given that I can't find IMR 4895, I'd try it if I could find some load data.

    Anyone have load data for this stuff?
     
  3. USSR

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    If it's a 4895 burn rate powder, simply start at the minimum charge weight listed for IMR4895 and run it over your chronograph.

    Don
     
  4. evan price

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    Since fresh, new cannister powders suitable to interchange with 4895 are available for not a while lot more than this surplus rejected pulldown powder, I'll skip it, thanks.
     
  5. DJW

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    Would you mind listing a few of the substitutes? It would be appreciated.
    How do you know that Radway stuff was "rejected?" Just wondering.
    Thanks, Dave
     
  6. Lovesbeer99

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    I've seen H4895 available and I believe it's close to IMR. At least I'll be able to find published load data. I just can't remember where I saw it.
    Maybe cabelas.

    I'd also like to ask why any beleive the milsurp was rejected? Can you even sell rejected powder?
     
  7. bobotech

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    I would say that using the term "rejected powder" is a misnomer. I doubt that ammo is rejected for bad powder but rather for visually damaged/defective reasons.

    So they pull it apart for component value and dump all the powder into a vat.

    That would be my guess anyway. I have been reading that lots of forum guys are extremely happy with this powder.

    "rejected" as an adjective for this powder is like saying "sensible" gun control laws.
     
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    Considering Surplus powder has always worked well for me in the past and can be had a a greatly reduced price I will continue buying it as long as it's available. It's too bad it's not priced at $70 for 10 lbs like surplus powders of the past. I haven't used this particular powder before but I will give it a try. (if I can scrape the money up to buy some before it's sold out)

    Lovesbeer99,
    You can't compare H4895 with any Surplus powder. While it's true H4895 was originally packaged by Hodgdon from surplus powder it's been a regular canister powder for many decades now. You will also pay regular retail prices for H4895 as you do for IMR4895. It's very close to IMR4895 but it produces slightly less pressures while delivering the same or similar velocities. If RG4895 is similar to either it will do very will.
     
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    Evan Price, nothin' personal but.....
    And you can get IMR or Hodgden 4895 8 lbers ,the same lot number and in stock right now, where?
     
  10. Encoreman

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    I do know where there is 1lb cans of H-4895 for $19.29 per can. I will let this info out when I decide whether to buy it or this RG-4895. I know lots of guys that have used a lot of surpplus powder. My thinking is like the old adage a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush. I would rather have 8lb. of RG-4895 and I continue to shoot or look at the computer for powder to load with. I would really like to hear from someone who has actually used this RG-4895. Thanks guys
     
  11. evan price

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    I left out the "/"... surplus/rejected pulldown powder.

    If it was suitable for loading RG would have used it. It was either RG reject powder (fail to meet spec) or else removed from surplus ammo demilled by UN accords.

    As for substitutes-

    My local gun store just got in a huge shipment of Hodgdon & IMR powders. Varget, H335, 4895, etc in 1# cans. Fresh, new production, canister powder. The pipeline is filling up again.

    I guess my complaint is that surplus powder should not cost the same as new canister.
    "Because it's there" isn't a good enough reason for me to buy some.

    Of course I stocked up on Varget & H335 before the insanity.
     
  12. Lovesbeer99

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    The Surplus does not cost as much as the cannister. The commercial powder is more expensive. The RG with shipping and haz mat is cheaper than the price of the cannister alone.

    Anyway, cabelas has H4895 for just under 20.00 and is in stock.

    I've read a few posts on the CMP website that this RG is good powder. I ordered mine today and I'll let you know when I get it.
     
  13. bfoosh006

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    LovesBeer99, do you have a link to those posts, I'd like to read them.
     
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    I've shot a ton of Radway Green .308 and it's definitely good stuff ... I saw that powder on Wideners and was tempted, but have no problem getting H4895 so passed on it. If you can't find your regular .308 powder, I have no reservations saying powder pulled down from Radway Green ammo would be quality.
     
  15. Lovesbeer99

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    http://www.castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?p=608357

    This is a pretty good post. There is an interesting one by StarMetal who claims to have had a conversation with a Guy from Hodgeden.

    I can't find the post I previously read in CMP forums, but the gist is that it's good powder, can be used in a Garand, loads like IMR 4895 and not H4895, but it used to cost 75.00 for 8lbs so people are pissed.

    I'm a big fan of the IMR powder but I can't find any and I need to shoot. The RG is still cheaper than buying milsurp ammo or worse (Russian Ammo) so I'll try it. As soon as IMR is available I'll pick that up again.
     
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    I am on my 2nd 8lb cannister of RG 4895 from Widners. I live 18 miles away from their location, so I pick up my supplies from their shipping dock. (Saves the Haz Mat fees). I started out with LC once fired brass from my M1A, using CCI mil spec primers, I loaded 147gr bullet with 44.5 gr of the powder and got 2783 fps average velocities with that load. The with Serria Match King 168gr, used 41.5gr and got 2528 fps average. I have the same results using IMR 4895. I am ordering another 3 cans to put up with my stash of IMR-4895. I would reccomend it highly.
     
  17. Marlin 45 carbine

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    does anyone know if Widener's has primers in stock? if so may be worth my time to haul bum over there on my m/c (across the mountain from me) to buy some and get in some sight-seeing too.
     
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    Well, I grabbed 8 pounds of the stuff while Wideners still had it. Should have gotten a couple more. It worked well with every IMR 4895 recipe I ever used it with. Probably even burned a bit cleaner than IMR
     
  19. counterclockwise

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    Thanks for the info. I also bought 8 lbs but have not used out of it yet.:)
     
  20. rmaisonp

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    surplus 4895

    I've been using this stuff from widners for some time now and have gotten pretty good results with moderate loads for 308 and 35 rem.
    I'm getting pretty spectacular muzzle flash though - easily visible in daylight and fabulous at dusk. Any comments? I'm not a very experienced loader but would think that powder is burning outside the barrel and therefore inefficient.
     
  21. USSR

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    There have been reports that it is a slower burn-rate powder than surplus IMR4895, which would account for increased muzzle flash.

    Don
     
  22. Clark

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    I got 32 pounds of Surplus pull down IMR4895 powder from Hi-Tech.

    24 pounds of it was from the same bulk batch.
    That bulk powder took me a while to figure that out to use H322 data, not IMR4895 data, to get the correct velocity as predicted by Quickload, in my cartridges; 223, 243. 257RAI, 6.5x55, 7x57mm, 30-30, 303B, 303S, 308, 30-06, 8x57, and 45/70.

    If you are a cook book handloader, stick with canister powder, and leave the bulk powder to the military and hard core load developers.
     
  23. Offfhand

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    I bought surplus IMR 4895 from Wideners a few years ago and have had great results using standard IMR4895 data. The chrono and target don't know if I'm using new or surplus and in fact the surplus is the favorite for my 6BR with Berger 105 gr bullets in my 600 yd bench rifle. Wish I had bought a lot more.
     
  24. Lovesbeer99

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    I got 8 lbs from Widners in the summer and I tested it in my 8mm mauser loads. Just as good as the IMR. I could not tell the difference but it might have been a little cleaner actually.

    I wish I'd bought more.
     
  25. counterclockwise

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    I''ve just finished running some through my .308 Remy SPS

    Trying to back it into QuickLoad. I started with the IMR 4985 powder model, and changed KJ/Kg to 4000, and changed solid density to 1.68 to get to RG 4895 performance.

    YMMV
     
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