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Anything over 50 yrs is a C&R

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by DMK, Feb 5, 2005.

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  1. DMK

    DMK Member

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    I just got my FFL newsletter from the ATF. In it, they very clearly clarify one of the biggest misconceptions about C&R eligible firearms.

    So here it is, once and for all, ANY firearm, military or civilian, made before February 5th, 1955 is a C&R. Tomorrow, those made on February 6th, 1955 are elidgible. It doesn't have to be on the list and it doesn't have to be military surplus. Of course, NFA laws still apply.

    Now I can find me a 45ACP S&W 1955 target to purchase with my C&R.

    Here is a direct quote from the newsletter(emphasis mine):
     
  2. Standing Wolf

    Standing Wolf Member in memoriam

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    Well, heck! Does that make me a curio and/or relic, too?
     
  3. P95Carry

    P95Carry Moderator Emeritus

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    'Fraid so SW - you and me both (and a few others too! :p ) :D
     
  4. carebear

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    So you can be shipped direct to someone's door? What'd that run on UPS? :evil:
     
  5. P95Carry

    P95Carry Moderator Emeritus

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    For SW, as he is IIRC a trainee C&R - probably $100 for two day. Me? I will go for free .... no charge!

    But - might need $50 of bubble wrap! :p
     
  6. Sheslinger

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    What I am waiting for is some of those nice Smith and Wesson Revolvers that will be coming up C&R soon.

    Chris
     
  7. happy old sailor

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    and here i thought all i wuz wuz a burnt out ole rooster. collectable, interesting.
     
  8. happy old sailor

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    now for a sensible and respectful reply. thank you very much for this info. yes, i have been curious and i now feel much more knowledgeable/informed. ty again
     
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    I suspect that you have been modified from your original condition so you may have lost your status.
     
  10. Diggler

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    Can you imagine in the future when guns like AR's, Glocks and the like will be able to be shipped door to door?

    That is so cool.
     
  11. Darkmind

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    Wow good to know, thanks for the info.
     
  12. Diggler

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    And for those on the fence about getting your C&R, you get enough of a 'dealer' discount from Brownell's and Midway to EASILY make back your $30 in three years. You'll probably make it back on your first order!
     
  13. jsalcedo

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    I've tried to use my C&R at gunshops.

    They don't know what it is.

    They are afraid to sell a gun without a 4473

    Kind of frustrating.
     
  14. Okiecruffler

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    They used to honor C&R's at my local gunshop until one of the guys sold an AK to a guy on one. That was the end of that. Biggest problem with the C&R is that people who don't deal in them have no idea what they are. So even tho' a gun may qualify as a C&R, getting someone to send it to you on your licence may be impossible.
     
  15. BryanP

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    Hey Chris, you're masquerading as Julie again. ;)
     
  16. DigMe

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    I'm not really versed on C&R licenses but I thought it basically just allowed you to have C&R guns shipped to your house rather than having to go through an FFL dealer. Is there something you can't just walk in and buy at a gunshop without a C&R license??

    brad cook
     
  17. Okiecruffler

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    With a C&R you "should" be able to walk into a gunshop, pick up a C&R eligible weapon and buy it with out background check or yellow form. It doesn't always work out that way.
     
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    Sorry, but that will never happen. By that time we will have gun laws like Australia, and those will be illegal.
     
  19. carp killer

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    When did Colt start making AR's for the public? That date plus 50 = ? :evil:
     
  20. Diggler

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    Early AR's aren't that far off to being C&R.
     
  21. artherd

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    We're close.

    Now, what about a newer colt (say an origional SP1) that's part of a limited eddition that 'derives part of it's value from..." :)
     
  22. Steelcore

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    SP1 were introduced to the public in 1964.Only 9 years til the first ARs become C&R. :cool:
     
  23. USP45usp

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    I got the same newsletter, but there are a few things that it doesn't mention and I've spoke with the ATF about:

    Detachable mags. Right now there is only one rifle that I know about that has been given the okay by the atf to be for sale. The government doesn't want you to have a battle rifle that has detachable mags.

    SKS's are on the list but Norinco's aren't, even the ones that were made 50 years ago. They don't even list serial numbers to the effect that they do with others on the list.

    Not all guns that are over 50 years old are on the list. You have to be careful on that one because the rifle or handgun may be over 50 years old but if it's not on the approved list, then it's considered a modern arm. Catch .22 so to speak.

    Like the old saying goes, if the nanny government gives you permission then you can do but don't try to find the gray areas because they will kill you for it :).

    Wayne
     
  24. Zundfolge

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    Interesting ... so what we need is for someone famous to start buying firearms, having their photo taken with them and we could see brand new guns on the C&R list :p

    So shouldn't things like Mateba Auto-revolvers be C&R because they are "novel" or "bizarre"?
     
  25. macavada

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    Anybody ever submit a request for a determination based on the criteria described in (c)?
     
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