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AP: Ammo Shortage Squeezing LEO's

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by 30 cal slob, Aug 17, 2007.

  1. 30 cal slob

    30 cal slob Senior Member

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    Hope this isn't a dupe, sorry if it is.

    http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_wires/2007Aug17/0,4675,AmmunitionShortage,00.html

     
  2. Snake Eyes

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    It's only a dupe because you and I posted at the exact same time.

    Jinx!

    (I reported my thread to the Mods, for deletion.)
     
  3. 30 cal slob

    30 cal slob Senior Member

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    whoa. freaky dude. :uhoh:
     
  4. strat81

    strat81 Senior Member

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    While choices have gone down, I have yet to see bare shelves at gun shops or Walmart. Natchez and Midway haven't posted messages saying "No more ammo, sorry!" Yeah, bulk .223 is hard to come buy, but there's plenty of other options out there. Same for all other police rounds.

    The sky is falling! AP says so! <yawn>
     
  5. 30 cal slob

    30 cal slob Senior Member

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    wondering why LEO's just don't purchase from somewhere else if their current suppliers aren't making do. :confused:
     
  6. Chipperman

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    I'm waiting for the follow-up story that places blame on the crazy militia-type guys for stockpiling in their arsenals. :rolleyes:
     
  7. KelVarnson

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    So if the military gets its ammo from a "dedicated plant", why would their needs impact commercial and police? Unless it's just about the copper and lead demand...
     
  8. The Deer Hunter

    The Deer Hunter Senior Member

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    Maybe they could switch to calibers the military doesn't use?
     
  9. Snake Eyes

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    I don't think it's AP saying the sky is falling, I think it's AP reporting what they've learned from police departments and folks in the ammo biz.

    And LEO's are affected because they buy ammo from some of the same places that are now suppling the military.
     
  10. fletcher

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    Anyone else find that funny?
     
  11. CarpeInferi

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    At least in my experience talking to the administrative assistant / purchasing agent for a local PD force, departments save a significant amount of money buying through the state approved process versus going out to Wal-Mart, etc and buying ammo. I'd guess its similar throughout the US.

    Haven't talked to her for a few weeks (which is good since I do their computer support) but they'd been waiting on .40 S&W for approximately 4 months and were to the point they couldn't supply ammo for training.
     
  12. FourTeeFive

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    Here's the video

    http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/ver/237/popup/index.php?cl=3741474

    What I don't understand is why this is even news. Ammo is available; just look at the ammoman or a dozen other websites. The story is prices have gone up so maybe the departments can't buy as much ammo? None of it makes sense. Yes, prices have gone up but all of us are still able to buy ammo, and lots of it!
     
  13. Bruce333

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    It's not just the shortage of certain calibers that's hurting. The increase in price is putting a bite on the budget also. They only have so much money in the budget for ammo, when the price goes up, they have to take money away from some other area of the budget.

    We had a local story on this last month. (NCSHP uses .357 SIG)

    http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1590651/

     
  14. hotpig

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    I live in ammunition alley so I have a good grasp on what is happening.

    Ammunition is a world wide commodity. It is not just the US Government that has ammo contracts here.

    Lake City can not produce near enough ammo to fill the Military demand. The rest falls on the other manufacturers.

    There is tons of target ammo still out there just simply because of volume. In a year you may see it dry up as well. Right now the shortage is in premium ammo of all calibers. This is because it is not being produced. 223 ammo is in the same boat.

    I know I have posted this a dozen times. There are only X many machines to produce ammo in bulk. Most of these machines are filling contract orders. That means some stuff is going to the back burner until things catch up.

    The costs are way up but the big problem is supply and demand. I hope in the next two years we see a big turn around and maybe even a drop in the cost of ammo.
     
  15. Mazeman

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    Given the way Lake City (and others) have ramped up production, if we ever start pulling back in Iraq (as the Iraqis take charge themselves), it should be a buyer's market.
     
  16. hotpig

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    We will be sending ammo over there even way after we pull out. If we ever pull out.
     
  17. jeff-10

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    Shouldn't be a problem capitalism can't solve. We need more upstart ammo companies similar to Black Hills.
     
  18. The Deer Hunter

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    Maybe they should all start using Mosin Nagants:neener:
     
  19. denfoote

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    I find this to be odd.

    Unless Phoenix PD issues/authorizes revolvers as back up, They have been issuing Glocks since the early eighties!! In fact, they were one of the first departments in the country to issue the, then new, Glock 17!!

    I'll ask a Phoenix officer the next time I see one!! ;)
     
  20. dstorm1911

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    well this part is pure BS

    "In Phoenix, an order for .38-caliber rounds placed a year ago has yet to arrive, meaning no officer can currently qualify with a .38 Special revolver."

    Don't know where he got his info but the Phoenix AZ metro pd doesn't issue ANY revolvers at all, some officers carry their own but the dept issues only Glock 36s for discrete carry by plain cloths officers and Glock 22s as the standard duty sidearm........... he must be thinkin of the Phoenix pd of 1980 cause they went to autoloaders in 1985 with the S&W mod 39 which was quikly replaced by the Glock 17 and the Glock compact replaced all snub nosed revolvers in 2001 right after 9/11 the only ammo the dept uses is primarily all .40 S&W for sidearms for uniformity of munitions.......

    I don't have to ask an officer..... I shoot with two of em every weekend out here at our place in Tucson, they are both inlaws.... and BTW ALL of their practice ammo is local remanufactured ammo........ they got zero shortage at all in fact both of em always bring several hundred rnds of .40 with em their dept just gives all the officers as much as they will shoot to promote more practicing by the officers......
     
  21. Redneck with a 40

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    I'm glad I reload, there is no shortage of components.:D:neener:
     
  22. denfoote

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    Thanks for the info. That's what I thought. I've lived in the Phoenix area since 1969 and I don't remember ever seeing a PPD officer wearing a revolver since the mid eighties!!

    I may be mistaken, but I believe that PPD disposed of their surplus revolvers through the now (sadly) defunct Mandall's Shooting Supplies in Scottsdale.
     
  23. flynlr

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    ditto .. so far that is.
    oddly enough the 2 calibers I reload are .40 and .223 :)
     
  24. MD_Willington

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    I know ATK is ~3 million rounds behind on their .gov orders, but I don't believe the extreme shortage one bit, in fact I think this is a spin piece to get the public thinking about why a non LEO etcetera can order in bulk, but the poor little agencies can't order in bulk, wah wah wah...

    I mean what responsible member of the public needs 200 500 or 1000 round packs of ammo...{/sarcasm

    Maybe these guys should get on the stick and figure out where else they can order ammo from around the globe.
     
  25. hotpig

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    It is not in our best interest for Government Agencies to cancel their orders with LE Distributors. If they start buying from our Distributors the civilian ammo market will dry up that much faster.
     

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