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AP: U.S. gun laws draw heat after massacre

Discussion in 'Legal' started by nwilliams, Apr 18, 2007.

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  1. nwilliams

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    Sorry if this article has been posted already, so much news out there its hard to keep up.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070418/ap_on_re_eu/virginia_tech_world_view

    Some real gems this article, how about


    Oh there are so many more, its reading things like this that make me want to buy a new gun tomorrow. Oh wait there's a gunshow this weekend, guess I can wait.
     
  2. Ratzinger_p38

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    The UK is becoming like France and the mainland Europe. They get all their knowledge of the US from their own MSM, which hates America, so they spread the propaganda.

    Funny, I had to go through a background check to get my M1, which, unless modified to only fire 1 shot at a time, would get me ten years in a UK 'prison'. No super market instant gun buy. I am a regular at my local shop, so they have no reason to think im a straw purchaser or the like.

    Its funny to me what outright lies the euros will believe. Since their emerging overlords (the EU) hate the US, it will only grow worse.
     
  3. mordechaianiliewicz

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    To me, the EUroniks have no right to talk about us. In 25 years, when the "moderate" Muslims in their countries outnumber them, and totally change their society through the ballot box to reflect Muslim values, they will wish they had guns.

    And, as everyone said, the Europeans believe anything that they are told about the U.S. gun culture. Whatever.... screw 'em.
     
  4. LAR-15

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    Folks from Europe are allowed to vote for members of congress from Puerto Rico.

    So their opinions DO matter. :rolleyes:
     
  5. 22-rimfire

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    Maybe it is time for the Gun Debate to be News

    The article is really quite good in presenting views around the world. I don't know if the author has an agenda, but frankly I don't care. But, my impression is that the World in general views US gun laws as being too lax. What does the world know?

    Underlined statements added for emphasis. All of the countries mentioned do not grant the common man the freedoms that are alienable in the US. The Germany reaction was interesting to the school shootings; they raised the age requirement for the entire country because of one incident. Australia's strict gun laws all happend following a incident in Tasmania. They restricted the rights of all Australian citizens because of one incident.

    Yes, if all guns were illegal in the US, eventually, there may be fewer gun related deaths. But in my opinion, the price in loss of liberty is too high for a hypothical gain. Freedom is not free.

    I do think that the VA Tech events may well spur discussions on gun issues throughout the US. It really is time. The gun control debate has not been news for a long time. Even Rush Linbaugh was discussing the topic on his show and that is a rare thing. The results may be positive to 2A supporters. Like everything else, this debate is like a double-edged sword. Everybody gets cut in a fight. Let the games begin!!!!
     
  6. Tim James

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    Take a moment to absorb this and understand what they are saying. There is no concept of a moral right to defend one's life with the best tool available; there is only an assertion that banning all guns will at least reduce the number of deaths or number of crimes by 7.3532% or wahtever.

    Here in America (at least the right-thinkers), we would rather let 10 guilty people go free than convict 1 innocent man. In the same way, we'd rather let 10 people get gunned down in a gang conflict, massacre, or domestic dispute than let one little old lady get knifed thinking as her last thought, "I could have stopped this if I hadn't been disarmed."
     
  7. obxned

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    "The latest attack on a U.S. campus will shake up America, maybe it will provoke more vigorous reactions than in the past, but it won't change the culture of Corriere wrote in its front-page story.

    As far as "self-defense imprinted on its DNA", I actually DO have a right to not sit quitely while a madman kills me. Maybe in Europe, this style of suicide by stupidity is the fashion, but not here.

    And YES, we are "a country that has the notion of and which considers the right of having guns inalienable," because we are! Our Constitution says so. For more than 200 years we have defended that Constitution. During that time we have seem numerous governments disarm and then murder their own citizens by the millions.

    Thanks for your comments, but I think I'll keep my firearms!
     
  8. xd9fan

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    This is so true. They will learn the hard way (like us) that Govt-based equality will never work. They should be (we as well) running toward our Bill of Rights.

    The euros being peaceful...I love it!! Its just really hard for them to remember that we did not start the two world wars...we stopped them!!
     
  9. 22-rimfire

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    The same thing could happen here with immigration and high birth rates in what are now minority groups in the US.
     
  10. Speer

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    No way in Hell would I want to live in Europe.
     
  11. Zundfolge

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    Blaming the American "gun culture" for mass shootings is as intellectually honest as blaming all black people for gang violence.
     
  12. Deanimator

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    The serfs are posting this tripe in usenet. It's not going well for them...
     
  13. Colt

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    All those who give a rat's patoot what europeans think about our 2A rights, say "Aye!"

    <crickets>

    Why don't we go ahead and get the UK opinion on the Declaration of Indepedence while we're at it. I'll value that opinion just as highly.
     
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    England. The country that recently announced it will no longer teach about the Holocaust in it's schools because Muslims find it offensive. Oh yeah I really care what England (and the rest of Europe) thinks.:rolleyes:
     
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    I worry less about what people in the rest of the world think about about our gun laws, and more about what people here believe. It seems that in some parts of this country many people want more gun control similar to Europe.
     
  16. Katigroszek

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    Why screw europeans?

    I'm from EU (Polad) and I'm a lawyer. I generally have a bad opinion on US laws (those I know of) but it does not apply to gun laws. I wish my country had gun laws like that so I could get my dream rifle without the need to write tons of papers, taking examinations and having (expensive) conversation with a psychiatry doctor. It is humiliating. I was astonished (pisitively) that after the college shooting general US citizens reaction was to allow more US citizens for a concealed carry. That is exactly a right thing to do!!! I was afraid that the reaction be to forbid it at all, as more anti-gun people will yell to do so.

    But, as I wrote earlier, my general opinion on US laws is negative and I have very good reason for it (becouse of my occupation).

    That difference betwen me and americans is, in my opinion, not enough to "screw me" as Ratzinger_p38 and mordechaianielewicz would like to do. And if You two think it is - screw You! At least I know who Mordechaj Anielewicz realy was.
     
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    With all due respect, Katigrozsek, I don't think they were talking about you and those who share your opinion. No doubt if more Europeans shared your opinions on guns, American gun owners would think more highly of them. As it is now, it seems so many of them think we should be fending off robbers & other miscreants with pointy sticks instead of boomsticks.
     
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    I remember not to long ago watching a German news segment on American gun culture, and what they showed was the Knob Creek machine gun shoot in Kentucky, and the perception you got watching it was that all Americans own machine guns and artillery pieces, flame throwers, shooting everything in sight.:fire: No wonder the europeans think were all a bunch a gun nuts, because that is how we are portrayed by there media. Gullible europeans, they believe anything there media feeds them. :cuss::cuss::cuss::fire::fire:
     
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    They seem to all have this notion that in the US you can just walk into any store and walk out with a machine gun, there's shootouts on every street corner, and everyone is armed to the teeth with their finger on the trigger. I think they watch too many movies or spend too much time in front of their fictional news programs.
     
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    well ignorance exists on both sides of the pond, they figure we have guns everywhere, we figure they have no guns at all...
     
  21. PILMAN

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    I highly doubt if all guns were banned in America that crime would be curbed. Honestly I don't think guns have anything to do with rising crime, some citys with lax gun laws have high crime, others don't just like some areas with gun control have high gun crimes and others don't.

    Europe while they tend to have low gun crime and murder rates never really appeared to have issues with murder even before guns were banned.

    Yet we look at areas like Mexico, South Africa, Brazil, Colombia, India and others with strict gun laws and the murder rates are very high.

    We do have crimes of passion yes but that doesn't make up the majority of our murders in this country, with open borders and illegal aliens flooding in from all directions take into considering the gangs, racist minoritys coming in from Mexico, the wealth (crime appears to be higher in poor areas) etc.

    Drugs are big money, criminals want to protect their investments.

    America is probably organized crimes place to flourish considering how many get into politics, it's no surprise they want the law abiding citizens disarmed so they have power over us.

    Even if we get to the point guns are banned for public sale, it would only be a matter of time before people start constructing their own guns like in Pakistan (where in cases they are making them by hand) or how the Israelis made casings out of metal lipstick tubes and built sten guns. There are guides all over the internet to make shotguns and bolt action rifles. I hate to compare us to a 3rd world country but that's what we are turning into with the borders open, disarming us will only make it worse.
     
  22. jlbraun

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    @Katigroszek

    Na zdrowie!!
     
  23. James T Thomas

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    new age viewpoints

    This thread reminds me of the comment by one or two of our Supreme Court Justices, when they said our laws should be modeled after those in Europe!

    And that was from those who had sworn to obey, enforce and uphold the United State Constitution!
     
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    I fought some big fights for God and country.
    I am too damned old to willingly give up any hard earned rights at this point.
    They can kill me but I doubt they are going to eat me.
    Screw the EU, they can subject their loyal followers to anything they wish to tolerate.
    They can just keep their socialist noses out of the affairs of a real country IMHO
     
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    There. Fixed it to make sense.
     
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