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Appendix Carrying a Striker fired pistol !!

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Glockedout17, Jan 9, 2013.

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  1. Girodin

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    I think the overall point has some merit. However, to act like any number of things will be just "that easy" if you are involved in a truly life threatening situation, particularly one where you may have just killed someone and/or been seriously injured yourself, may be a bit naive.

    The above is even more true for a skill that one spends little time practicing.
     
  2. Kiln

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    I prefer to not have a gun with no manual safety pointed directly at my delicate parts.
     
  3. Glockedout17

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    Girodin I understand what you mean, but im simply trying to say that reholstering is not meant to be a rush thing. Its not like they're competitions to see who can reholster fastest, but they do have quick draw competitions. Getting the weapon out of the holster matters more than reholstering it.

    But you are right though, everything should be practiced including reholstering. I dont think I'd be calm after a stressful situation as you stated. Point taken
     
  4. trickyasafox

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    I should point out- I don't holster my gun after I put the holster on- I put a holster on which already contains a gun. Greatly lowers the chance of me engaging the trigger.
     
  5. Enachos

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    Dastard-D nailed it. I started carrying AIWB about three years ago. Started with a Glock 27. Moved into a Glock 29 just recently. The only thing that bothers me about this carry position is that it makes sitting and bending a but difficult. I'm always having to adjust when I get into and out of a vehicle. But still prefer it to other carry positions. Otherwise it's crossdraw OWB for me.
     
  6. tomrkba

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    1) Sure. It's not that big of a deal if you use your brain.
    2) It is fine with short barreled handguns.
    3) First, be careful! The location is a visible reminder to never become complacent. Second, holster reluctantly. Go slowly and verify while holstering the gun. There is no need to hurry and nobody ever won a gunfight because of how fast they holster a handgun. If you are really concerned about safety, remove the holster, place the gun in it, and put the holster back on.
     
  7. tacxted

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    I just started AIWB carry with my glock 26. Im a new CCP holder btw. Never have I ever considered putting the holster on first, then holstering my pistol. Always holster then put on.

    Being new to CC I dont have any other carry method (yet) to compair to. That being said, I like this position and most of the time find it comfortable and very concealable. This is my holster FYI. http://www.usgalco.com/HolsterPG3.asp?ProductID=3871&GunID=50

    The "get over the negatives/dangers" part is training, all training. At home I will unload my handgun and use an unloaded magazine. This is the only time I will re-holster while the holster is on me. While I practice draw and dry fire, I save some time this way.
     
  8. Jenrick

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    -Jenrick
     
  9. mlkx4

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    I carry aiwb and I would never do so without a manual safety. The term glock hip is out there for a reason after all. Not saying its the guns fault but there is a risk there. So attack away glock people.
     
  10. Glockedout17

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    Great statement.

    And to Tacxted, thank you for recognizing your freedom and using your 2nd Amendment. PM me if you ever need to discuss any gun related issues.
     
  11. Hapworth

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    Gun ---> balls? No.
     
  12. JTQ

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    Most will recommend a stiffer holster materiel, especially for a Glock.

    I'm not sure if you've seen this before.

    http://seanlinnane.blogspot.com/2011/03/glock-accidental-discharge.html
     
  13. Hapworth

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    I think Glocks are excellent firearms, but they -- like all platforms -- have idiosyncratic considerations, and with the Glock it's that there's no meaningful external safety. You have to think of it like a revolver with a 5.5lb trigger. For that reason, I agree with you -- stiff holster material, as in kydex or thick, quality leather treated to hold its form, taken care of during ownership, and replaced at the first signs of leather weakening.

    The link you provided is a valuable reminder that, despite what the blogger says, guns do not "just go off", and that what are often referred to as accidental discharges are really negligent ones.

    The fellow whose Glock discharged at a moment not of his choosing is entirely to blame -- he carried in an old, worn out, deformed holster; the limp leather pinched into the trigger area and made a "boom".

    His fault for not examining his accessories -- in this case, the holster -- adjudicating it spent, and replacing it with an appropriate one.

    Anyone who can't take proper care doesn't deserve a firearm.
     
  14. g_one

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    I try to pitch Raven Concealment any chance I get because I've been so happy with their products. If you want a great appendix carry IWB, check out: ACR. Or, if you've got a Glock that you're carrying AIWB, their VG2 system is even better, and still safe.
     
  15. tomrkba

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    I've seen "SIG hip" and "S&W revolver hip". The brain must be engaged at all times when handling a firearm. If you feel resistance while holstering--STOP! Remove the gun, look and clear the obstruction (usually part of your shirt). 1911's and Hi-Powers are just as easy to mess up with.

    You missed: SIG P-Series, double action revolvers, most DAO handguns, HK, Kahr, Springfield XD (hand automatically disengages the grip safety), S&W DAO's, etc. In other words, it's not the gun, it's the brain.

    Actually, yes, they do. It's their right, but it's also their responsibility and they'll pay the consequences if something bad happens.
     
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  16. Hapworth

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    No, I didn't; the discussion had turned to Glocks, and I was staying with the discussion. Listing every firearm, their differences and how to address them, and every possible way they can be mishandled is out of scope and, frankly, stupid just to help one siege mentality tribe not erroneously feel singled-out.

    Notice I mentioned I think Glocks are excellent...

    It wasn't a comment about the Second Amendment so relax -- there's enough hysteria going around on that subject.
     
  17. tomrkba

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    You are bringing quite a bit of your baggage into it. I don't use Glocks exclusively and I prefer the SIG P220. I even carry AIWB occasionally under a sweatshirt (the grip is very long and prints easily under regular shirts). I handle the SIG as carefully as any Glock.

    My intent was to show that a wide variety of guns have the same action and require the same level of diligence when operating them. The problem is new shooters tend to think "Glock", see this sort of thing on the IntarWebz, and get all nervous when handling them. I know this because my coworker was one of those people. I had to work with him for several weeks to get him used to the Glock 19 pistol.

    Carrying any of those guns in the appendix position requires the same level of caution. The difference is not difficult to learn; just ingrain good handling procedures and the shooter will be safe with any handgun. Many people don't have that level of confidence and need to learn it.
     
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    Lot's of hard words being tossed around here by some people complaining that aiwb carry firearm should have a safety on it ! Revolvers don't have any safety and lot's of cops and civilians have carried aiwb for years and no problems,what's the fuss ?
     
  19. Jenrick

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    Also just because it has a safety so what? If it some how get's bumped off safe is it any more likely to go off? If it is I HIGHLY recommend a different holster!

    -Jenrick
     
  20. Glockedout17

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    Did some drills at the range today, (drawing and safely reholstering) and to tell you the truth it's pretty safe once you get your finger control down. Remember to keep your finger pointed down as if your pointing to the ground when drawing and to look at the holster when reholstering your weapon, (nothing cool about not looking when reholstering). Many people have carried this way for many decades and because they practiced safe gun handling they're still around to tell me about it.
     
  21. ATLDave

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    Without saying that any gun "should" have a safety on it (except that it should have the safety configuration the user prefers):

    Go pull the trigger on a revolver, particularly one that hasn't been slicked up for competition. Then, right afterward, pull the trigger on a Glock. If you can't tell why someone might think that the difference in the weight and length of those pulls is significant, then you have a wonderful ability to disregard triggers. Good news, since you'll never have to spend money on a trigger job!
     
  22. Kiln

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    I can't think of a single person that would carry a revolver with the hammer cocked in single action because it is unsafe, yet people do it every day with the Glock which has a similarly light SA trigger.
     
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    Well, I think that's a bit overstated. I cannot possibly compare the short/crisp/light 2lb-4lb SA trigger of any of my revos with the long, deliberate 5lb-6lb pull needed of any of my stock Glocks.
     
  24. dastardly-D

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    Damn !

    :banghead: Maybe I can explain it real plain for those of you who don't understand one of the basic concepts of carrying any weapon ? Keep your fingers out the little hole thing that makes the gun go bang ! You can throw a Glock against a building and it won't go off ! Why the senseless drama ?
     
  25. Kiln

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    I know I was exaggerating but my whole point was actually directed at the guy higher up in the thread who was talking about ND's with revolvers and comparing it to a Glock. I just forgot to use the quote function.

    I doubt that there have been nearly as many "while holstering" injuries caused by revolvers with a 4" long double action trigger in comparison to a Glock's 4-5lb SA trigger with a relatively short travel.
     
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