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Applying for Handgun Ownership

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by dak0ta, Jul 19, 2012.

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  1. dak0ta

    dak0ta Member

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    Well fellow Americans, here in Canada, we don't have a 2nd Amendment, so owning a gun isn't a right. I had my non-restricted license that allowed me to own rifles and shotguns. Didn't figure I need my restricted license. Then YOU GUYS started talking about all your AR-15 platforms and handguns and made me jealous. So I took the restricted test today and did well. 98% on the written, and 100% on the practical firearms manipulation part. Sent off my application to the government, and the waiting process begins.

    Now remember that here in Canada, we have so absurd laws like 10 rd magazine limits for handguns and 5! round limits on all centrefire semi-automatic rifles. I can live with the handgun part, but jeez.. if I buy a Glock 17, I'd like to have 17 rounds of 9mm Luger, not just 10. Hence, I'm leaning towards a 1911 because it was designed to hold 7 rounds for .45 ACP, hence I don't feel 'limited' in terms of capacity by the stupid law. Also, an 'extended' 1911 holds 9 or 10 anyways :) But then there's the Glock 21.. and S&W M&P 45.. My bank account is going to take a huge hit.. *sigh*

    See what you have done THR!!!!
     
  2. Warp

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    What I wonder is...what will you do with that handgun? (other than enjoy it and shoot it at the range like everybody else, I understand, just asking from a strictly utilitarian/practical perspective)

    To me, personally, 95% of the usefulness of a handgun is the ability to take it with you on your person (usually concealed).
     
  3. DefiantDad

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    10 round pistol mags is not just for Canada. We have them in some States too. And I think in some other States, you even have to have some kind of device to make it a REAL HASSLE to unlock and release your long-gun magazine.

    17+1 or 10+1 doesn't make much difference if the target isn't hit. So, decide which caliber you shoot best with, instead of just going with more gunpowder, would be how I would go about this decision.
     
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    Yes, there are a few states with 10 magazine restrictions. We even have states that require a license to purchase a handgun. Not the norm, though.
     
  5. dak0ta

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    There's concealed carry here, but it's rare. Like 1 in a million for a civilian. LE is different.

    You need an Authorization to transport if you take it out of your house to the range or comp. Government needs to know where the handgun or AR is at all times.

    I'll probably just shoot targets, steel, and maybe competition if I get good enough.

    I'm really torn between what to get. I love JMB and his 1911 and Hi Power.. then there are the new polymer pistols like Glock which are super reliable. Always been a blued steel/wood guy, but the advantages of Glock and their tenifer coated barrels and durability really are appealing. Especially since they are real affordable compared to buying a 1911 that is reliable. We can get Norinco 1911's for $350 shipped here, and they are forged and decently machined. For $150 you can get a smith to make it run like a domestic 1911. But I just can't get past not supporting domestic manufacturers (domestic as in you Americans haha).

    Is there a big deal between Striker fired pistols and external hammer pistols? And what about single action vs double action semi-autos? Sig Sauer is nice too.

    I'm a Southpaw too, so something with ambi controls is nice. Or something that isn't too difficult to operate the controls with the left hand.

    This is more of which one to get FIRST. The others will come afterwards! So I guess, what is easiest to learn and maintain for a total handgun newbie?

    Also is the .40 S&W the happy medium betwen 9 and .45?
     
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  6. DefiantDad

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    I had to make that sort of decision not too long ago. First things first, I decided I am going to get a Glock, for sure. I would get a Glock sooner or later anyway even if I got any other gun. So, why not get it first.

    The second gun was a harder decision. All in all, I would say it was more that I was sold the gun by the store, than me picking it, and it is the Beretta 92. The only decision I had to make was, 1913 rail or not. So I picked rail, and thus it is the Beretta 92A1.

    The only other 9mm I might have bought would be the Sig Sauer. But I didn't.

    The Glock (I got the 19) is nice. Feels handy.

    The Beretta 92A1 feels much bulkier, but sturdier and more reliable, than the Glock. It is also a battle weapon trusted by soldiers everywhere. The Glock is trusted by LEOs everywhere.

    The Beretta is easier to field strip. The Glock is not THAT much harder to field strip but the Beretta is VERY easy to just press a button and release the slide and clean the gun. The 92A1 makes it even easier than the 92FS. With the Glock you need to hold down two latches with two fingers while pulling the slide back a bit. I hardly ever get it right the first time. The Beretta is a no brainer.

    So, that's all the advice I can share, since I don't have any other handgun. And my opinion is mostly that from a new gun owner standpoint.

    Oh, Glock has no safety. Rack the slide and you are good to go. Beretta has a safety (which you can leave turned on or off as you like); the Beretta safety acts as a decocker so you don't HAVE to pull the trigger on an empty chamber like the Glock.
     
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    I don't know that I would want to buy a sub compact like a Glock 26 when I couldn't even carry it. That compact size doesn't seem like it would have any advantage, only disadvantage.

    I'd consider a Glock 30 if wanting an un "limited" model, personally.
     
  9. dak0ta

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    For Glocks, I'd just get a full size. 17, 21.
     
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    I had a Glock 19 for a while, but I live in one of those 10-round states, and it just irked me to have a gun with a 15-round capacity that I could only use 10-round mags in. So I sold it. We're grandfathered on older guns and mags, so I have a couple of CZ-82s that hold 12+1. That will have to do. :rolleyes:
     
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    I read somehwere that 40S&W mags by Glock can hold 9mm Luger, is that true? I think you can hold more than 10 that way.
     
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    I did not know this. Besides being ridiculous, it sounds like a huge pain in the rump.
     
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    I would think that a magazine restriction would be a minor issue compared to pointability, accuracy, reliability and all those other "ility" issues.

    There are plenty of poly pistols to choose from, as well as steel and alloy. Just get what you've always wanted and go from there.
     
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    Is there a handgun barrel length restriction in Canada? Are Canadian LE's allowed high capacity mags? If you live out in the country can you step out on your back porch and shoot at a gong in the backyard? Can you carry a handgun on your hip if not concealed in public or out hunting?

    Sorry for all the questions but I had no idea guns in general were so restricted by your government. It seems like they're afraid of their citizens or they want their citizens to fear them!
     
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    I'd never really thought about how mag limits would alter the purchasing behaviors of gun-owners with regards to caliber. Very interesting...
     
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    I agree with HSO... I'd go with a full size for target shooting and not worry about a 10 round limit. Then again, I also have a Kahr cw9 that I use stricltly for target work and its made for carry.... All guns are fun I say! =D
     
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    Nice scores on the tests. I hope you get approved.

    Yes.....in California of course. I'm not familiar with all the intricacies but suffice it to say you pretty much can't have an AR unless it's got a bullet button mag release. Big reason why I'll be buying an M1A instead.
     
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    You have many options without resorting to reduced capacity magazines.

    Browning Hi-Power in four-tay
    SIG P220, 239, 232
    Glock 26, 27, 29, 30, etc
     
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    I heard that too, barrels had to be a minimum length...something like 5".

    I don't think you could go wrong with a CZ75b.
     
  20. DefiantDad

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    I agree. I was surprised when I saw that. It almost makes the whole thing moot, which might be the point.
     
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    We have it very good in the United States (of America).

    My UK and Australian friends have hardly a clue. They think it was fantastic that their countries outlawed all citizen-owned firearms.
     
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    Not to pull this off too much on a tangent but (and I don't live in CA), why would a M1A change the situation? Doesn't the M1A also use a detachable magazine?
     
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    Remllez:

    Their barrel length must be 4.15 inches or longer. They have no way of carrying a sidearm, unless you're one of the extremely lucky people who have a CCW. I think I read somewhere that there was less than 10 people in the entire country who have one.

    I was visiting my dad up in Canada, and we were hanging out with a bunch of his hunting buddies. Concealed carry came up, and they were all amazed that I had my CPL, and asked a bunch of questions. Made me grateful that I live here, now.
     
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    To the OP, congrats on your passing your tests!

    It's funny you bring this up because I just finished the Canadian Restricted Firearms Training Course in Quebec (where they call it the CCSMAFAR) and took both tests as well. The class was actually pretty informative and well taught. I didn't really know what to expect for the practical part of the class, but they had actual guns we could play with whenever there was a break (a Ruger Single-Six, Ruger Security Six, an Uberti of some kind, Browning High Power, S&W K22, Norinco 1911, Glock 17 and a Norinco knock-off of a SIG P226.)

    As an American, it was an interesting experience--I'll probably start a thread on it when I get a minute.
     
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    Buy lots of magazines and practice, practice, practice.

    Some of my most very favorite guns have 10 round standard magazines, or less, and I never feel unprotected carrying one: Glocks 26, 27 and 30SF. My 1911 is less than 10 rounds as is my Ruger KP90.

    It's nice to have hi-cap magazines, but they are not a necessity to be fully prepared. Training and practice makes you a formidable foe, not the ability to fill the air with lead. I'm a marksmanship kind of guy and not a spray and pray sort by any stretch.
     
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