Applying for Handgun Ownership

[bbuddtec]

In NY, a 10- round state, I gravitated toward G21 in .45 for my first... I figured they may as well be big rounds, if I can only have 11 onboard

...and yes, I had to have a judge-issued permit to buy it, folks.

 

[dak0ta]

Hey guys,

Minimum barrel length is 4.5'' otherwise the handgun becomes prohibited. No hunting with handguns either.

I think I am happy with the Glock 17 or 19. I think for the price new, you get a pretty affordable, well built, reliable handgun with 3 mags (Gen 4). It is the choice of LE around the world so it does have a track record. It's rugged and can take a beating. I think it might be a good starter in 9x19.

 

[Shear_stress]

Minimum barrel length is 4.5'' otherwise the handgun becomes prohibited. No hunting with handguns either.

I think I am happy with the Glock 17 or 19. I think for the price new, you get a pretty affordable, well built, reliable handgun with 3 mags (Gen 4). It is the choice of LE around the world so it does have a track record. It's rugged and can take a beating. I think it might be a good starter in 9x19.

The Glock is a solid choice. You might look for a handgun for which a .22LR conversion kit is available (such as the one made for the Glock by Advantage Arms.) A kit won't require any more paperwork but will allow you plenty of cheap practice on the same platform.

BTW: prohibited handguns have a barrel equal to or less than 105mm (4.13 inches)

 

[splattergun]

dak0ta, I am sorry you have to go through all that trouble to exercise your natural right to protect yourself, which is the root, heart and soul of the 2nd Amendment.

I want to take this opportunity to publicly express my gratitude for my late mother's foresight in moving to Montana from Alberta in 1947 and becoming a US citizen. She taught her 9 children that our Constitution, particularly the Bill of Rights, are something special.

Best of luck in your permit acquisition, fellow American.

 

[dak0ta]

Unfortunately I can't protect myself with the handgun cause we don't have Castle doctrine in Canada. If we use force to defend ourselves, then we go to jail and the criminal does less time than us. There was a case where a man in Alberta chased a robber who stole his ATV down the road. He fired 2 rounds from his shotgun and wounded the robber. He was sentenced to jail and the prisoner less time. What's the matter with this? The new Conservative government wants to leave Canadians less dependent on the government, so one of the new things trying to get passed is a more defined definition in self-defense and home defense. Sort of getting towards 'castle doctrine'.

Glock seems really cool. The tenifer coating on the barrel seems like a good attribute. Are all metal parts coated in this stuff?

 

[DefiantDad]

Unfortunately I can't protect myself with the handgun cause we don't have Castle doctrine in Canada. If we use force to defend ourselves, then we go to jail and the criminal does less time than us. There was a case where a man in Alberta chased a robber who stole his ATV down the road. He fired 2 rounds from his shotgun and wounded the robber. He was sentenced to jail and the prisoner less time. What's the matter with this? The new Conservative government wants to leave Canadians less dependent on the government, so one of the new things trying to get passed is a more defined definition in self-defense and home defense. Sort of getting towards 'castle doctrine'.

Glock seems really cool. The tenifer coating on the barrel seems like a good attribute. Are all metal parts coated in this stuff?

Wait. In Canada, if the bad guy comes armed into your home, with a knife or gun, and you shoot him dead with your gun, are you STILL going to jail?

(In the case you quoted, I think chasing the bad guy is a totally different thing; property theft is not necessarily "life threatening" but there could be grey areas -- e.g., what if the bad guy was stealing drugs you need for you or your family to remain alive, such as the last few bottles of insulin for someone diabetic, while there is a nationwide shortage? Things like that).

 

[DefiantDad]

dak0ta, I am sorry you have to go through all that trouble to exercise your natural right to protect yourself, which is the root, heart and soul of the 2nd Amendment.

I want to take this opportunity to publicly express my gratitude for my late mother's foresight in moving to Montana from Alberta in 1947 and becoming a US citizen. She taught her 9 children that our Constitution, particularly the Bill of Rights, are something special.

Best of luck in your permit acquisition, fellow American.

Funny (in a sad sort of way) thing is that a number of Americans are moving TO Canada (or other countries) and in fact relinquishing their citizenship. But that's not the subject of this thread (tangentially related to RKBA in Canada).

 

[dak0ta]

Well if there is without a reasonable doubt that your life was in danger, and you killed your assailant, then you might be okay (maybe). But say even if they had a knife but hadn't attacked (yet) and you shot them preemptively before you allowed the presence of a pistol to make them change their mind and leave, then you're in trouble.

 

[DefiantDad]

Do the laws change (significantly) from provinces or is this basically nationwide and the same everywhere?

 

[dak0ta]

Nationwide I believe. I guess you have to time the assault so that just as you are going to get shot or stabbed, you quick draw and shoot the assailant, all the while getting it on tape for court

 

[razorback2003]

Are you interested in IDPA?

If so, good IDPA guns are the Glock and Smith and Wesson M&P. Try before you buy. Also see what fits your hand best. I like 9mm because it is the cheapest to shoot.

Also, you might want to look at a Smith and Wesson 686 357 mag or a Ruger GP100. Then you don't have to bend down on the floor to pick up your brass if you get into reloading. You can shoot 38 special or 357 out of those revolvers.

All are a lot of fun at the range and good house self defense guns. Have you looked at a 22 handgun? That would give you good practice.

 

[Texan Scott]

dak0ta, i guess none of us understand why you'd bother owning a handgun you can't carry... you see, NOBODY on this forum owns such an obscene number of guns for which we have no earthly practical use that we couldn't possibly carry them all at the same time.
whether it's a .22 or or .44, if/ when you get your handgun permit, i hope you get something you really like and enjoy... and that you really like and enjoy what you get,

 

[Prince Yamato]

Get the Norinco 1911.

 

[Snag]

....why would a M1A change the situation? Doesn't the M1A also use a detachable magazine?

Not trying to derail the subject but just to answer the question. The difference is an M1A doesn't have a pistol grip stock. It's not detachable magazines that are illegal, it's the combination of detachable magazines and other features they don't like in California.

 

[dak0ta]

We can own Norinco M14's here. Forged receivers, but machining and QC is hit or miss. We have 18.5'' shorty's too. All for $450 + tax. And we get Norinco .308/.45ACP/9mm ammo. Don't know if that's good or bad.

 

[Ar180shooter]

I read somehwere that 40S&W mags by Glock can hold 9mm Luger, is that true? I think you can hold more than 10 that way.

Yes, you can fit 12-13 rounds in one. It does impact reliability though. A friend of mine tried it (using my G22 mags in his G17) and he had 2-3 stovepipes out of 100 rounds.

As for 1911's, they're great guns, but .45 is more expensive than 9mm.

For Norinco rifles, I've owned 1 Norinco M4gery and 2 M14s, and I got rid of them all. They worked well, but leave something to be desired in the quality department. They make great platforms to do a custom build off of, but if you can afford something a little more expensive (such as a S&W, Stag or Bushmaster, for AR's), it's well worth it.

 

[GlackAttack]

Wow I didn't know Canada restricted firearms. Kindof spoils my plans to move there if our dumbass voting population votes in Romney and Ryan.. I wouldn't listen to the discouraging guy talking like handguns are only good for carry. They are a ton of fun, I rarely feel like carrying them myself, I'm more in it for the sport. Go with you're gut, get what you want, and have fun!

 

[Prince Yamato]

Get a Glock 19. The 10 round limit won't be as bad as you think.

 

[beag_nut]

Want to hear a little worse? Pepper spray isn't even allowed in Canada, unless it is labeled "bear deterrent"! All because a Mountie sprayed a few students some years back.
Got a five-sentence rant about it from a border guard when traveling to Quebec on vacation, then looked it up later.

 

[KenW.]

Its the "choice of LE around the world" because LE administrators are often not "gun people". My agency issues Glocks, but the armorer carries an FN. Thats why I carry a Springfield.

 

[PabloJ]

Well fellow Americans, here in Canada, we don't have a 2nd Amendment, so owning a gun isn't a right. I had my non-restricted license that allowed me to own rifles and shotguns. Didn't figure I need my restricted license. Then YOU GUYS started talking about all your AR-15 platforms and handguns and made me jealous. So I took the restricted test today and did well. 98% on the written, and 100% on the practical firearms manipulation part. Sent off my application to the government, and the waiting process begins.

Now remember that here in Canada, we have so absurd laws like 10 rd magazine limits for handguns and 5! round limits on all centrefire semi-automatic rifles. I can live with the handgun part, but jeez.. if I buy a Glock 17, I'd like to have 17 rounds of 9mm Luger, not just 10. Hence, I'm leaning towards a 1911 because it was designed to hold 7 rounds for .45 ACP, hence I don't feel 'limited' in terms of capacity by the stupid law. Also, an 'extended' 1911 holds 9 or 10 anyways But then there's the Glock 21.. and S&W M&P 45.. My bank account is going to take a huge hit.. *sigh*

See what you have done THR!!!!

Don't worry your country has natural gas and oil Americans are sure to come in and take over sooner or later.

 

[tarosean]

As for 1911's, they're great guns, but .45 is more expensive than 9mm.

you can get 1911's in numerous calibers..

Limited barrel length and 10rd .. I personally would go with a 1911 style. No sense in owning a gun that was designed for double stack (thickness) and not being able to use it.

 

[Lawdawg45]

Well fellow Americans, here in Canada, we don't have a 2nd Amendment, so owning a gun isn't a right. I had my non-restricted license that allowed me to own rifles and shotguns. Didn't figure I need my restricted license. Then YOU GUYS started talking about all your AR-15 platforms and handguns and made me jealous. So I took the restricted test today and did well. 98% on the written, and 100% on the practical firearms manipulation part. Sent off my application to the government, and the waiting process begins.

Now remember that here in Canada, we have so absurd laws like 10 rd magazine limits for handguns and 5! round limits on all centrefire semi-automatic rifles. I can live with the handgun part, but jeez.. if I buy a Glock 17, I'd like to have 17 rounds of 9mm Luger, not just 10. Hence, I'm leaning towards a 1911 because it was designed to hold 7 rounds for .45 ACP, hence I don't feel 'limited' in terms of capacity by the stupid law. Also, an 'extended' 1911 holds 9 or 10 anyways But then there's the Glock 21.. and S&W M&P 45.. My bank account is going to take a huge hit.. *sigh*

See what you have done THR!!!!

Same absurd regulation in California and other ignorant territories, guess they never figured on reloading scenarios by criminals! I sincerely hope they never watch a YouTube video of Jerry Mucilek and his "6" shot revolver
Anyway, congratulations on your achievement!
LD

 

[One_Jackal]

If I couldn't carry the gun I would get a magnum caliber revolver with at least a 6" barrel. I hear people talk about how well their semi auto with a 4" barrel shoots. If they shot that well they would destroy all Olympic records. I saw one post were a guy claimed to hit targets 115 yards away with a 4" 40 cal. Maybe one out of a hundred. A 357 with a 6" barrel will hit a target consistently at 30 yards. Once you find the right ammo and get some practice 50 yards isn't out of the question.

Ok, now everyone can tell me how they rip up targets at 30 yards with their 2" .380.

 

[David E]

Wow I didn't know Canada restricted firearms. Kindof spoils my plans to move there if our dumbass voting population votes in Romney and Ryan..

As opposed to the virulently anti gun Obama, eh?

OP, in addition to the 1911, consider the ten-shot M&P .45