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Aquila IQ ammo

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by thegriz, Dec 7, 2006.

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  1. thegriz

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    Aguila has discontinued it's IQ line of ammo a while ago. It was made for 9mm, 40 S&W and 45. Only 45 is now readily available. There were some of us who were very impressed with this stuff. I heard production was canceled due to pressure from law enforcement agencies. I was never able to confirm that.

    It was "rumored' to be armor piercing and then loads of folks starting talking trash about the new super bullet.

    Bottom line is I still think it was a great round. I found an article giving results of testing done in response to a homicide investigation involving this round (45 variety).

    It goes a long way towards building the legitimacy of this ammo. I hope Aguila brings it back.

    http://www.afte.org/TrainingSeminar/AFTE2006/Summaries/afte2006_tues.htm

    If you follow the link you will have to scroll down to find this article or do a text search.

    11:30 AM
    Aguila IQ Case Study in .45 ACP

    Dale Justice, Bexar County Crime Lab, San Antonio, TX

    MMC Grand Ballroom Side B


    Objectives:
    For the last several years the Mexican manufactured ammunition packaged under the Aguila name produces a product line marketed as the “first intelligent bullet”. This high velocity zinc hollow point bullet remains intact when penetrating hard objects and fragments in soft material. We present a case report of a homicidal gunshot wound resulting from a shooting with this relatively uncommon ammunition.

    A discussion of this bullets elemental composition, fragmentation pattern, P GSR results and test shots into a bullet resistant vest will also be discussed. The tests were conducted to determine:

    1) If the manufacturer's performance data was accurate.
    2) The elemental composition of the bullet.
    3) If the "vest piercing" claims were correct.
    4) If zinc bullets create conflict with current primer gunshot residue (P GSR) analysis methodology.

    Methodology:
    Obtained ammunition through local sources and fired tests into a water tank, cotton tube and an older kevlar protective vest. Also chronographed the bullets at two locations. The firearm used(Haskell) was the closest model to one used in a homicide (Hi Point) available in our reference collection.

    "Soft target" results were compared to x rays and recovered fragments from the homicide case.

    SEM analysis of unfired ammunition and P GSR stubs were performed by the Trace Evidence section.

    P GSR was collected prior to firing, after one, three and five shots.

    Results:
    Performance was consistent with manufacturer's claims.

    1) Broke into three or four pieces in soft material (water).
    2) Remained intact in solid material (cotton & vest).
    3) Velocity measured at over 1400 FPS at approx 9 feet.

    Urban myths BUSTED! Failed to perforate the vest at three and nine feet with direct shots. A second angled shot at nine feet also failed to penetrate. The impact was sufficient to caused serious or fatal injuries without bullet penetration.

    SEM indicates the bullets are primarily pure zinc with a few trace amounts of other metals/minerals.

    P GSR showed an abundance of zinc, which increased with successive firing. There was a significant rise between one and three shots with a moderate increase from three to five.

    Conclusions:
    Aguila IQ bullets perform as advertised by the manufacturer NOT as stated in cyber stories. Although the vest was not penetrated, it is possible to sustain fatal injuries from the impact alone.

    Criteria for evaluation of P GSR needs to be examined to account for the zinc presence without copper for this ammunition.
     
  2. thegriz

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    Does anybody have a source for purchasing this ammo in 40 S&W?
     
  3. Deanimator

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    The last word I heard was that it was no longer being made/imported.

    I've got several boxes in 9x19mm, .40S&W and .45acp, which I plan to hang onto.
     
  4. Firehand

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    Picked up a box to try out about a year ago. VERY big muzzle flash, LOUD report. Functioned through my 1911 with no problems, accuracy on a par with everything else I've tried so far as ball/hollowpoint ammo.
     
  5. thegriz

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    Hang onto them because you like using this ammo or because of a potential increase in value?
     
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    They're part of my stock of self-defense ammo. I like the .45acps.
     
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    I bought 3 boxes of the stuff some time back and I dutch load it, nasty little thing.:cool:
     
  8. battlehatch

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    I just got a box at a local gun show. I call them my "werewolf rounds". :D
    After looking at how deep the HP was, I started getting evil thoughts like... I wonder if you could put a piece of tungsten rod, sharpened at the tip, in the cavity...
     
  9. Double Naught Spy

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    Nothing in the report supported the round being any more or less legit for self defense use, which is for what it was designed. They didn't perform any penetration tests on soft tissue, although others have and the round has been a very poor penetrator.

    I liked this quote as it really didn't say the round was special in any way. In fact, it would be the same warning given for any comparable ammo...

    Yes, possible but not likely.
     
  10. M2 Carbine

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    I've carried it in my 45 Kimber for years. I was very impressed with the bullet.
    I have some 9mm and 40 S&W but I don't like it in 9mm because the 3-4 pieces it breaks into aren't very big compared to the 45.

    It does fragment into 3-4 pieces reliably and does appear to do a lot of damage with each piece cutting or tearing a hole. The base is still 45 cal.

    Against a hard target it stays in one piece and appears to hit very hard.

    Even from the 45 ACP Bond Arms Derringer the muzzle velocity is 1245fps.

    A friend and I made a video of shooting a 5 gallon water jug with the 45 IQ shot from a 3 inch barrel Kimber.
    I hit the jug in the top half causing it to rise off the block and roll left. Then I hit it in the bottom half while it was still in the air. The energy from those two rounds was impressive.

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    When I tested this stuff in a water tank, it performed as advertised, usually breaking up into 3 or 4 large, sharp pieces; the bullet is swaged zinc, BTW.
     
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    Yes, the little pieces are sharp, but they don't penetrate very far. Because the round is lightweight and breaks apart, each smaller piece loses the ability penetrate deeply.

    The 5 gal water jug looks impressive enough. I tested my .45 acp Aguila on 2 liter bottles of water. Even with splitting open the plastic sides of the bottle, usually half to all of the round's parts were still retained inside the bottle. Unless shallow penetration is your goal, this isn't a very good defense round.
     
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    I bought a bunch of boxes of the 9mm IQ back years ago.

    I found a couple of them a month or so ago and threw them in my range bag. As it turns out about 3 weeks ago I was qualifing for my Armed Security Proffesional at a range outside of Portland.

    A fellow (Cop) showed up while I was there and had brought his old vest. He
    stated that he was going to fire many different rounds into it and see what happened.

    I was happy when I remembered that I had a box of IQ with me. I asked him if he would give a shot. He did... It was the only round to go through, or even come close. Needless to say everyone one there was pretty shocked.

    Here is what he shot the vest with:

    Glock 17,22
    1911
    Maybe a Sig(Cant remember)

    The most any of these penetrated was 1 layer (Barely breaking the surface).

    FMJ 9mm 40cal & 45 acp
    Ranger SXT 9mm 40cal & 45 acp
    Cor Bon (Not sure what the name was?)9mm 40cal & 45 acp
    A whole assortment of other rounds in 9mm 40cal & 45 acp all
    where +P Hollow points of differnt brands.
    Black Talon (The old stuff) 9mm &40

    All of the above made the vest fly off the frame it was clamped too.

    The Aquila IQ went through the vest all the way and it barely moved when it was hit. It did recoil but stayed hanging. It was spooky...



    Anyway,it appears it isnt all hype. Who knew, I shot at least 300rnds of the stuff at digger squirrels at my familys farm and it was awesome. I didnt know it wasnt around anymore,otherwise I would have held on to more than 2 boxes.LOL,so is life.

    Sorry wished I would have taken more pictures but I was in the middle of a course of fire and a test.

    :evil:
     

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    When I told a friend of a 1400 fps round for a .45 acp he was in shock that it could be done....
     
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    good reason to stop the import, body armor there for a reason.... i bet it was spooky if you are leo and depend on that type vest...
     
  16. CWL

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    The reports I read when this stuff first came out was that it did not perform as claimed. It was inconsistent.

    Loads that break-up, while consistent in breaking into pieces, have the problem of poor penetration, and each smaller bullet fragment does not create a significant wound channel nor crushes tissue like an expanded hollow-point would do There used to be a similar ammo called Quik Shok that looked good on paper but performed horribly in ballistic gelatin. Like the IQ, it went the way of the dinosaur.

    Good riddance, since the very mention of a "magic bullet" will have people chase after it instead of focusing on actual training.
     
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