AR 15, $2,000 - $3,000 Your choice?

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  1. Gordon
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    LWRCI . It used to be Noveske, before John passed , Sigh...
     
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    It will be more accurate, have better controls (fully ambidextrous), have a far better trigger, and be better ergonomically (have a better grip and adjustable stock). The $700 price difference isn't all that significant given the difference in component quality.
     
  3. Mosin Bubba

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    Me personally, I'd probably take a Brownells XM177 replica and spend the other $1000 on 2 or 3 boxes of ammo.

    If you want a range shooter, I'd just buy whatever cheap 16" carbine the gun store has. They're all turnkey these days.
     
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    Compared to ~2006 the difference between the cheapest AR and one two to three times more expensive, has greatly narrowed. Build quality and materials are much better across the board.

    If you want to spend a little more than is needed to get a nice rifle, I'd grab whichever BCM (for a "duty" type build) or a WOA (for a precision type build) upper tickles your fancy and build an Aero lower out with whichever stock and trigger appeals to you.
     
  5. Skinny Pete

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    What is the guaranteed accuracy of your build?
    Fulton guarantees < 1.5 moa but all of mine have been sub-moa
    Which is one of the reasons bone stock Fultons so often dominate national matches

    I've never had a problem shooting left or right handed
    And I don't know anyone else who has either
    All I see is more unnecessary complexity

    What makes your builds trigger "far better" than their 2-stage national match trigger?
    Especially since Fulton so often dominates matches

    I have never had an issue with the grip, nor the stock
    Not to mention that you can order it with any grip or stock you want
    They offer multiple configurations

    What are these specific quality differences you speak of?

    I'm still not seeing what one does that the other doesn't
     
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    With that sort of budget, I'd get Brownells to send me a WWSD carbine headed my way.
    Mind, that's only about $1800 of your budget, so, you'd have plenty left over for an RDS and magazines and ammo.
     
  7. js8588

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    Your Fulton is a fine rifle. If I were in the market for a Vietnam era clone, I'd consider it. It's a great tool for shooting matches. OP said his budget was $2k-$3k, so I "built" something better than factory in that range.

    Yours is good enough for you. I'm glad. Enjoy it.
     
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    A top shelf barrel, fore-end, and bolt carrier group will run you $1000 alone.
     
  9. Mosin77

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    I’d buy whatever is on sale this week at PSA and then I’d buy $2500 in ammunition. And then I’d be able to pat myself on the back for bring much more experienced in real world use of an AR than most of the guys who are sporting DD, Knights, and the like.
     
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  10. Skinny Pete

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    Interesting that you dodged each and every point/question

    Further, he didn't say he wanted to build one, but rather...

    "I'm not sure if building one in this price range is a better idea or buying one"

    Followed by...

    "Not being able to handle it worries me but in that range I would guess there's some kind of try it time period? Anyway, suggestions?"

    So I suggested a well proven builder that offers a 30 day full refund as well as lifetime parts & labor.
    And again, it can be ordered in multiple configurations as I stated.

    So, still curious to find out specifically is so much "better"... ;)
     
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    I think it probably comes down to the point that he doesn’t feel like engaging in a silly argument with someone whom obviously has his mind made up already. Enjoy your Fultons. Nobody said they were bad rifles. No need to get in your feelings because somebody else chose to go a different route.
     
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    You can buy a Larue match grade upper for $750 and their MBT trigger for $100, and mate that to the complete lower with Magpul stock that PSA is selling right now for $180. Excluding shipping and a transfer fee, you would be into a match grade carbine with all the important parts guaranteed for life by an industry leader for $1030. Or, you could get a complete Larue branded rifle for $2,000, if you are into lower receiver markings. If all I was concerned about was performance, I would get the PSA lower, and just end up with a spare trigger group in my parts bin. $1030 + shipping and a transfer fee would leave a whole lot of room in your budget for optics and other accessories, ammo, etc.
     
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    I'd build a Larue using their upper and lower for under $1500 and then feel like a genius for having a nicer rifle than a $2000 Daniel Defense or LWRC
     
  14. gun'sRgood

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    Super fun reply! It was like opening christmas gifts going to each site! That was fun as all get out! Very enjoyable! Thanks! and Thanks again! Awesome job!
     
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    I think Nightlord hit it.

    If I were to build one it would be to go as light as possible, but not what you're looking to do.

    That said, I'm not sure most people will appreciate a $3k AR more than a $1k AR unless they have spent a lot of time with them.
     
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    I like a lot of DD's stuff. It's probably just me but I have yet to pick one up and be beyond disappointed in their triggers. I bought a Black Rain .308 because of what the guys at my GS drooled over this build. Very pretty gun. The trigger, well, how about dragging a brick through a gravel patch and seemingly breaks at random positions. Then the 2.5 MOA with match grade ammo. The frek'n ridiculous muzzle "pinecone" thing good for stripping your skin off. $2,500 of crap! I had the joy of chatting with the owner about his outrageous claims he had on U-tube. How he would use any part of any gun he sold in any match he would be in. I challenged him to eat these works. All in all, it's not worth the time to chase anger. I've kept it as a lesson learned. So any time I pick up a DD with a crap trigger I can't help but recall Black Rain.
     
  17. gun'sRgood

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    I get this idea. I've got a bunch of AR's in numerous styles and builds. quantity is just not quality.
     
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    Understandable, but I believe it's far more rare to have a cheaper product do a better job than one that costs more.
     
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    I don't consider myself in the "most people" category. As mentioned, I've built and own what I would believe to be beyond this category. My Wife and I have several pieces of "Do you guys really shoot those?" -vs- behind glass. I just really enjoy a piece of art that functions as well as it looks.
     
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    Then, I think the ones Nightlord listed is where I would look. There may be higher levels of boutique ARs but I'm not aware of those.

    Meant no insult with the "most people" comment, didn't want anyone to pay for something they could not appreciate/understand. When it comes to many things in life I am a "most people" myself. $100 meal or a $1k meal I would be just as happy for instance (more happy with the $100 one as I have $900 left actually).
     
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    664E8BA2-80F1-4CCD-8F57-8A2E7A15CBC1.jpeg Not sure if they’re “worth the money” but I had a TON of Cabelas points and got a Daniel Defense DDM4V7. The factory trigger wasn’t what I wanted (knew that going in) so I threw in a geissele.

    Overall construction, fit and finish, smoothness, and accuracy is much better than any budget AR I’ve shot.

    Again, I’m sure they’re overpriced but I love this rifle.
     
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  22. gun'sRgood

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    Ouch! That's a bit harsh. You make that judgement on so few facts. Oh and you could not be more wrong. If you don't like the post, please feel free to not respond. Thanks.
     
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    Glad you enjoyed it! Putting it together was a fun little excercise.
     
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    If I had it to do all over again...I've have maybe 3 fewer complete PSAs, and 4 fewer additional AR uppers, and something like a LaRue in 5.56, and maybe an Aero in 6.5 Grendel.

    John
     
  25. Skinny Pete

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    I think it actually is due to the fact that he cannot stand behind his own assertions.
    After all, who asserts X isn't as accurate as Y when they have zero experience with X...
    Just sayn' ;)

    There was no "argument", none. Very specific assertions were made and I asked for some factual support for those assertions, yet none were provided.

    Um yea, that was the question asked by the OP... "Your choice?" See how that works :)

    I do :thumbup:

    I never said anyone did

    I'm not the one who got upset and ran away from a few simple questions :D
     
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