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AR-15 Rifle, Your Reviews on Manufacturers

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by 7mmRemMag, Jan 13, 2008.

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  1. 7mmRemMag

    7mmRemMag Member

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    I have finally decided to purchase an AR rifle, after previously debating on going with either a bolt .223 rifle or an AR varmint heavy barrel rifle. I plan on purchasing the upper and lower separate. I want your input, what manufacturer did you select for uppers and which did you select for lowers and why? What kind of accuracy, reliability, how well did the upper mate to the lower etc.

    I would like to spend under $900.

    I found this complete rifle from Olympic Arms for $839, has anyone had any experience with this rifle/or manufacturer?http://www.olyarms.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=35&category_id=6&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=37

    Your input/insight/knowledge is greatly app.
     
  2. dogtown tom

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    Who makes the best AR is kind of like the 9mm vs .45ACP wars.

    Go to AR15.com and start reading. I lurked there for several months before buying my AR15 and it saved me a bunch of $$$. You'll find that Olympic Arms doesn't have a lot of fans.

    Most of the AR fans on AR15.com seem to want as close a copy of the .mil M4 carbine as they can get. I didn't need a bayonet mount or flash hider, but I did want a flattop.

    I wound up buying a like new Colt 6731 off Gunbroker that probably didn't have more than a magazine run through it. I paid $850 delivered.
     
  3. NorthCounty

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    I vote for Rock River. Just my $.02.
     
  4. BigBadJohn

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    I have a MT6731 and love it.
     
  5. gunman42782

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    My first AR was a Bushmaster just because that is what I kept hearing was a good one, and it is. My 2nd is a Double Star lower and a Del-ton upper, and I am every bit as happy with it as I am with my Bushmaster, only it saved me about $300!
     
  6. possum

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    i have never built an ar, i have experience with a few makers and thier complete rifles. i have the most experience with bushmaster and i have always been impressed, many different models and configurations they have always been reliable, and accurate. there varmiter model was exceptionally accurate. i own a bushmaster m4a3 model and i am very plesed. also check into stag, rra, and that should put you in the right direction.
     
  7. birdbustr

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    I've got a Colt MT6400C (Match Competition). I've got it how I want it now, but beware that this is a civilian model and will require some work to slick it up to a military type rifle. I love my rifle, but all of this could have been avoided by getting a Bushmaster, which I have shot after my purchase, and they are probably as good as a Colt.

    Unless you get a law enforcement type or a pre-ban a "civilian" Colt will have a have a couple of points that you will probably want to change.
    1. Mine came with this BS imitation stock that looks collapsible, but doesn't collapse, so that needed to be replaced for a replacement that does what it is supposed to.
    2. The barrel isn't threaded for a flash suppressor. I did get it threaded and added a Phantom suppressor, but it cam with some big chunk of a suppressor that was really ugly and held on by 2 pins.

    I also added later a trigger kit (springs) that lightened my pull from 8.5lbs down to 4lbs. I put in an ambidextrous safety and the anti-walk trigger pins. Removed the carry handle and put on a 3-9X40mm Sightron Mil-Dot reticle scope with see through mounts so I can still use my open sights. Added a front post tritium sight, forward assist handle, and a tactical flashlight with pressure switch. The AR-15 types (M-4 in my case) is very fun to add accessories to. I get consistently get MOA or slightly better with mine after the trigger kit.
     
  8. Mojo-jo-jo

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    If you are interested in building, you can save some $$$. I just built this myself. Seems to be A-OK. The build took me just under 2 hours to build, including going to the store to get a set of roll pin punches for $10 (you really need them).

    Description...............................Supplier........Price
    16' mid-length flat-top carbine kit.Del-ton.......$465.00
    Lower receiver (Stag).................Gun show....$139.09
    Rear sight carry/handle...............Gun show... $65.00
    CAR spanner nut wrench.............Del-ton.......$3.95
    A2 sight tool..............................Del-ton.......$5.95
    Del-ton shipping.................................$17.53

    Total.......$696.52

    It's what I would expect from any basic AR15, at about $75-$100 less than a ready-built. You could shave off about $60 by going with a Superior Arms receiver and a cheaper rear sight. Mil-spec parts are, well, mil-spec. They mate just fine.
     
  9. BorisDaBastid

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    I'll throw this out there since I saw Colt mentioned. I have a large amount of experience with Colt M16s and M4s. Now, I know that these "super-mass-produced" rifles are more or less inferior to the civ models, but I will use my experience to weigh in a little.

    From what I've experienced from the M4, any M4gery *may* experience the following: Failure to feed from new mag, Double/Triple feed from same, failure to eject, failure to fully seat bolt.

    Now, this last deployment to Iraq, I used a Colt M16A4. If I had my choice right now, I'd trade my M4 in for my old rifle right now, and throw a testicle in to sweeten the deal. I know that I'm lucky to be alive by all counts, but I rarely cleaned the inside workings and never cleaned any other part of my rifle last time. It failed on me a total of....never. I fired my M16 more times than some of the dismounts (I'm in a heavy mech unit), and she never gave me any problems.

    I'm not sure if this is because of the barrel length difference, or somebody smiling down on me, but Colt's alright in my book.
     
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    You build the best one.
     
  12. MMcfpd

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    It's a bit of a crap shoot with Olympic Arms, so I wouldn't go that route for a first AR.

    And despite the advantages offered by building your own, I don't think I'd go that way for a first one, either.

    The configuration of the rifle you linked to includes a 20" bull barrel and a free float tube - that is a heavy long distance precision configuration. Is that what you want? Also, that rifle has no sights, so you're looking at another $100 (minimum) to $??? to even expect to hit anything.

    You can, though, do well by purchasing your upper and lower assemblies separately. If you want to stay with a 20" an excellent manufacturer with whom I have experience is CMMG. You can get their 20” Gov't Profile Upper with a full-auto bolt carrier and a Yankee Hill YHM-9493S Solid rear sight for $592 delivered.

    Fully assembled CMMG lowers with either an M4 6-position collapsible stock or an A2 stock run ~$225 at the gun shows here. The advantages of purchasing at a gun show, from a "real" dealer, include real time inspection and delivery, no shipping and no FFL transfer fee. Those pluses will easily offset the sales tax you might pay. And you won't have to get a CMMG lower; any good one, like Stag, Doublestar, etc. will do just fine.

    Add a couple a couple of magazines for ~$30 and you'll be good to go with a very nice high quality rifle, slightly under budget.
     
  13. Javelin

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    I too am looking for a nice AR. Obviously Armalite is out of the question due to price. RRA is nice but its not milspec. DPMS is pricey. Colt is once again going to cost well over $900 for what 7mm is looking for (or myself for that matter).

    Honestly 7mm right now you can't get into a decent accurate AR for less than $1000 for what you want to do with it. That is about the threshold of finding deals in quality vs. finding the best of the unsatisfactory.

    Best of luck. I will be looking at this thread for anyones imperical knowledge.

    [​IMG]
     
  14. 556nato

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    Got both an Armalite 20" A2, and an M&P-15 M4gery. Both have been totally reliable with even halfway decent ammo. M4gery has hiccupped a grand total of once....on some REALLY :cuss:y ammo. Neither has ever failed in any way with my handloads. (55gr FMJ). (knock on wood)
     
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    Double Star was my first build and will be my second. Delton sells DPMS and STAG which are also decent brands. As long as you stay with a known company you really cannot go wrong so I would suggest going with a company that is supported by a local dealer.
     
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    Mine is a Colt 6721. (Tactical Carbine) It was horrendously expensive, but it was what I wanted at the time. I've noticed the S&Ws at the gun shows are quite inexpensive and the Bushmasters also for what you get. I can comment only on Colt quality and it is top-notch. But I would consider Colt, S&W, RRA, Armalite, Stag arms, and Bushmaster, depending on price.
     
  17. HOLY DIVER

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    olympic AR owner here....shoots great...i like it...i'm not sure why some people don't like them i've shot a colt h-bar allot its gave allot more trouble than my ......o wait i've never had any trouble out my olympic...now at very very longe range the colt will group better but i have to clear the jams as i'm shooting..i rarely shoot more than 150yds so i like the olympic better because it doesn't jam....shots umc ammo like a champ! dads colt only likes my hand loads....and high dollar store bought...
     
  18. TexasRifleman

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    Here's the dirty AR secret that everyone will deny and argue over for eternity......


    All the bigger names are all basically the same for 99% of the shooters out there.

    Buy whatever you can get the best price on.
     
  19. Mortech

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    I own/owned several OlyArm ARs , never had any jamming problems with any of them . Alot of the hate you se for OlyArms is due to a person conflict between the owners of Ar15.com and Olyarms that occured years ago .
     
  20. HOLY DIVER

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    mortech mine was made in 2006.i herd they had one model years ago that gave problems.is this what you were talking about?
     
  21. Rifleman 173

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    I've owned Colts, Bushmasters, Superior Arms and Stag. They are ALL good. My Superior Arms is the best as far as quality. Colts are now too pricey. Bushmasters are the most numerous. Armalites are another good one. Armalite also makes the Eagle Rifles which are decent ones too. Pick one. Practice with it a lot. Enjoy yourself. You can't go wrong with any of them. Rock River Arms are good ones. Stag is good. It's worse than a smorgasbord because you have to make so many decisions. Then you get the dreaded EBR disease which means that you've got to have more than one black rifle. I have four of them right now and will soon have five. I've got the bug bad. :p
     
  22. 7mmRemMag

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    For my first AR I bought a Bushmaster lower locally, and a Bushmaster Superlite upper from PKfirearms and have been highly pleased. I got the upper 3 days after I placed the order. Service was great, price right and I saved a bunch of $. Look at their complete uppers.

    http://www.pkfirearms.com/store/start.aspx

    Since then I picked up a Stag lower and put the Bushy upper on it and it runs great also. Now I'm in the market for another upper. Fit and finish in both the Stag and Bushmaster lowers was outstanding, and they both matched up great with my upper. I did find that I think the Bushmaster trigger is a little better, but that may be just the invidual example, I don't know if it's that way across the board. Accuracy wise, my superlite will hold + or -1 moa at 100yds from a bench w/ a 1x4 scope. 2-3 MOA with open sights on a detachable carry handle (just because my eyes aren't what they used to be). I shoot mostly Federal AE 55gr and Black Hills blue box 55gr. I've had zero reliability problems, but I've only put maybe 500rds through it so far. A varmint barrel like you're talking about, with good glass, ought to do 1MOA easy with good ammo.

    You should check out AR15.com for a while, but be warned they will automatically steer you towards a Colt or LMT and they aren't into the varmint rifles as much over there. But tons of good info can be had.

    If you're into varmint hunting and that's what you'll be using it for, the best info can be had on the Predatormasters board:

    http://www.predatormastersforums.com/ubbthreads/postlist.php?Cat=0&Board=5

    Lots of guys there have dedicated AR's for varmint hunting and can steer you in the right direction. Good luck.
     
  24. Fish Miner

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    Just got a DPMS (5.56) for x-mas- pretty nice for 850-, lots of add ons, good name , fun gun :)
     
  25. Rshooter

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    7mmRemMag - If that is the configuration you want and it is new for that price it is not bad. DPMS is a good rifle. Remember that there are many configurations out there and half the fun is taking the time and looking. :D
     
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