Quantcast
  1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

AR vs AK with a twist.

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by CharlesT, Feb 2, 2011.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. CharlesT

    CharlesT Member

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2010
    Messages:
    297
    Location:
    SW, Ohio
    OK, I already have an AK and I LOVE it. Thus, it's a cheap WASR-10.

    My dad LOVES my AK, and wants to call it his own.

    He said he would give me money for a new one. BUT, if I were to buy another AK I would want to get a "premium" one; Arsenal/Krebs/Redjacket. BUT AGAIN, I want to try an AR as well. That way we would have an AR and an AK.|

    Here are my main choices...

    Stag Model 8 piston gun

    or

    .... (Maybe SGL21 or VEPR II)
     
  2. DoubleTapDrew

    DoubleTapDrew Member

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2006
    Messages:
    5,356
    Location:
    Oregon
    BCM 16" mid length (with your choice of lower) or a converted Saiga.
    Those would be my choices for top tier gear at very reasonable prices. I'd forget a piston AR, IMHO it's a gimmick on a platform that was never designed for it.
     
  3. CharlesT

    CharlesT Member

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2010
    Messages:
    297
    Location:
    SW, Ohio
    Was also thinking the Model 3 which is only $800 MSRP
     
  4. dawico

    dawico Member

    Joined:
    Nov 9, 2009
    Messages:
    250
    Location:
    Lampasas, Texas
    It sounds like your dad needs to go buy his own gun.
     
  5. Tirod

    Tirod Member

    Joined:
    May 24, 2008
    Messages:
    4,455
    Location:
    SW MO
    How about a direct impingement conversion on a Saiga?

    Of course it sounds awkward, just pointing out what a piston conversion on the AR is like. The working piston setup IN the bolt carrier is deactivated, and another is mounted on the barrel, pushing the BCG off axis and causing long term problems. It's no cleaner, piston to piston, cylinder to cylinder, or cooler. AR BCG temps are only about 40* more, but gas piston temps go hundreds, right under the handguards.

    And, you get to pay a $400 premium for all that, make it a pound heavier, and get just one place to buy parts from. No competiton means single source premium pricing.

    Just like some off brand DI conversion on a Saiga. Pistons on an AR are just easy, that's all, fits the kitchen table assembly it has. AK's, not so much, mostly a gunsmith shop with presses, jigs, mills, and experience.

    But, hmmm, no bulky gas block, loses a pound there, gets a lower rail, BCG does the work, bolt tail gets gas rings, does double duty, lighter, and actually cooler overall. Why not?

    A nice midrange AR doesn't need anything more than good mags and ammo. Buy one and try it.
     
  6. nalioth

    nalioth Member

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2007
    Messages:
    5,841
    Location:
    Houston, Texas
    When referring to AKs, "Premium" is a marketing phrase.

    AKs are commodity firearms, designed to cheaply equip troops.

    You can buy a Saiga and send it out for a bead-blast and "Fancy-Cote" after you convert it and have a "premium AK" for a lot less expense than "the big names" offerings.
     
  7. CharlesT

    CharlesT Member

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2010
    Messages:
    297
    Location:
    SW, Ohio
    Probable answer.
    [​IMG]
     
  8. henschman

    henschman Member

    Joined:
    Nov 13, 2010
    Messages:
    2,880
    Location:
    Oklahoma City
    Be a man, get an M-14! :D

    JK (sort of)... but honestly I would go with a nice AK over an AR with a piston kit. The AR-type rifles that were actually designed from the ground up to run on a piston system are good to go, but the ones that convert a DI AR are not so great.

    At least the AK still has it's original design, and will function smoothly and reliably... probably longer than you will!
     
  9. nipprdog

    nipprdog Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2004
    Messages:
    1,218
    Location:
    IN
  10. nipprdog

    nipprdog Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2004
    Messages:
    1,218
    Location:
    IN
  11. snakeman

    snakeman Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2008
    Messages:
    2,079
    Location:
    texas
    Hmm why not get a model1sales.com ar 15 kit in 7.62x39? That way you can shoot the same ammo through both and save some money!
     
  12. AR27

    AR27 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2010
    Messages:
    305
    Location:
    Unfortunately Illinois
    Ya M-14/M1A prices are great! NOT!
     
  13. snakeman

    snakeman Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2008
    Messages:
    2,079
    Location:
    texas
    They are wicked guns but way inflated on the price.
     
  14. aussiedog20

    aussiedog20 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2011
    Messages:
    15
    Location:
    Florida
    I have the Stag myself. I have the lefty version and it suits me perfect. Excellent shooter and eats anything I feed it. Very accurate and never a problem. I'm on the other end of the spectrum wanting an AK now.

    I bought mine for $730 new 6 months ago...
     
  15. snakeman

    snakeman Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2008
    Messages:
    2,079
    Location:
    texas
    arsenal sgl in .223 once again share the ammo
     
  16. henschman

    henschman Member

    Joined:
    Nov 13, 2010
    Messages:
    2,880
    Location:
    Oklahoma City
    If they made anything better for less money than I would be all over it!
     
  17. smokinfeathers

    smokinfeathers Member

    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2011
    Messages:
    9
    i went with the stag 3,6 and 7. great guns have had no problems and they will all shoot under MOA no problem.
     
  18. WardenWolf

    WardenWolf member

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2008
    Messages:
    5,884
    Location:
    Northern Virginia
    SGL-21. No question there. Very lightweight, feels wonderful in your hands. Just a fine rifle.
     
  19. Bill2e

    Bill2e Member

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2007
    Messages:
    642
    You do not need to spend the extra money on a piston gun. DI has been working for quite some time and will continue to work. Go for a good mid priced AR and then you will have both to play with
     
  20. trigga

    trigga Member

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2007
    Messages:
    1,021
    Location:
    WI
    i prefer di myself. i've always like bushmaster and that's what i have. stag would be my second choice.
     
  21. Tirod

    Tirod Member

    Joined:
    May 24, 2008
    Messages:
    4,455
    Location:
    SW MO
    Hmm why not get a model1sales.com ar 15 kit in 7.62x39? That way you can shoot the same ammo through both and save some money!

    Great idea, too bad a decent magazine isn't made to make it work reliably. The taper case on the X39 simply won't feed through the straight mag well of the AR. Some have lucked out with their frankenmags and get reliable loading, seems just as many have mags that don't.

    It can be done, ammo is just as cheap for the 5.56, why risk a known hassle?
     
  22. Coal Dragger

    Coal Dragger Member

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2008
    Messages:
    1,544
    Location:
    Black Hills, SD
    Charles,

    Take your Dad's $$$, then buy a Colt 6920 or a Noveske.
     
  23. SharpsDressedMan

    SharpsDressedMan member

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2007
    Messages:
    5,957
    Location:
    NE Ohio
    How about a Saiga .308? That way you get the AK platform, and the ballistics of a "shorty" M14. Spend the money on the conversion stuff, and it even looks right.
     
  24. BushyGuy

    BushyGuy Member

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2009
    Messages:
    634
    Location:
    at the end of the world..
    If you get an AR buy Bushmaster , they are great AR's for the money-and they wont be around much longer for a NIB one.

    Also you should buy another WASR GP 10/63 cuz they are going up in price, i seen them selling now on guns america and gunbroker for 699 and up.

    http://www.gunsamerica.com/99787474...ional/Rifles/AK_47_WASR_10_by_Century_Arm.htm

    i have the same one, i bought it for 450.00 its a great Ak, also i have a Bushmaster Ar for 2 years never had a hiccup!
     
  25. trigga

    trigga Member

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2007
    Messages:
    1,021
    Location:
    WI
    which ever you decide, get them now before they are gone or the price goes up again. I bought my wasr 10 a few years ago and the price has gone up $150-200. i am very happy with the purchase.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page