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AR15 is not HIGH-Powered!

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Nickotym, Nov 6, 2017.

  1. Carl N. Brown

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    I have composed 1,500+ words of notes and thoughts on this thread.
    I'll spare you and just recommend a calm reading of kBob's Post #48 to understand what we are up against and what is at stake and the best strategy for dealing with it (which is not eating our own).
     
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    Just about ready to go on our yearly pilgrimage to Sacramento! I hate California. But I love the family we visit! My Wifes youngest, his Wife, and two lovely Munchkins! Girl 4 boy 3! We babysit, cook, do laundry, etc!
    Daughter in Law, just wrapping up her Masters. I have a naked right hip! G19 sits in my safe at home.
    Wall to wall druggies in the City. A folding knife and a City Stick will have to do.
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  4. Tommygunn

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    It's probably just the use of synonyms to say the same thing, really.
     
  5. george burns

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    It's one of those things that are "subjective", to the conversation. To a Hunter of men or animals, it is not, a 300 win mag or a 338, but to a non shooter or someone who shoots 22's it's high powered compared to what they were shooting. You can't let the biased media screw with your head. I watch TV, and sometimes make the mistake of putting on CNN, and find myself getting fired up over these blabbermouth idiots who's job it is to do just that, now I switch to something else. Just like in the 70's 38 snub nose were the ultimate weapon, 357 was off the chain, and when Dirty Harry came out the 44 mag was unreal to the public, they still think "it will blow your head clean off". It's all nonsense unless it's being discussed by likeminded individuals who know what they are discussing and what the reason for that weapon is going to be.
     
  6. Sauer Grapes

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    I pretty sure Pa won't ever allow it. I was shocked when they allowed cross bows!
     
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    All of this is worth repeating. The parts I made bold are particularly good.

    Make the commitment to engage them and not just your like minded friends.

    When engaging them, its mot the time to be witty, condescending, aggressive, funny etc. Show them the facts in a teaching/learning way and talk them off the ledge calmly and assuredly. Teach them, Treat them, and Talk to them like you want like the be taught, treated, and talked to.
     
  8. buck460XVR

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    But when folks use "they don"t know what they are talking about" as an argument against them, and then proceed to use examples of displaying they don't know what they're talking about, what does that prove other than you can't fix stupid? This is something I see all the time here. Folks accusing non-gun folks of something while doing the exact same thing themselves. Folks claim you can't trust polls, but then try to use another poll to support their argument. Folks claiming bias of the facts, and then tend to use their own biased facts as an argument. No different than saying. "dumb antis, don't know what a Hi-Powered firearm is!" , when they themselves don't. It's just lowering ourselves to their level and showing folks neutral to both sides, we can't be trusted either.

    Just sayin'.......
     
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    I agree.

    And along those lines ... when we use examples etc that they don't understand, it does nothing to get them to understand what they already dont.
     
  10. wahsben

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    It is high velocity but not high power compared to most other centerfire rounds. Compared to pistol rounds and rimfire rounds yes it's high power.
     
  11. CapnMac

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    I am convinced that this comes from some sort of belief that "The Military" would always use the most powerful thing available to them.

    Which is reinforced by h'wood making no distinctions between ordinary rifles and MGs, or how no one in a movie worries about caliber. Or magazine specificity (just nothing like seeing the hero stop and pick up a bad guy's weapon, then reload it from his belt or coat).
     
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    Not sure I can agree with this--anti's do not much avail themselves of "our" literature. If they did, there would be some sign of actually contacting accurate information.

    The anti's sources are each other, twitter, snapchat, and the like. Living in an echo chamber means never having to question one's histrionics and emoting.
     
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    It's a relative term.

    I've never used it because most people consider a bottle neck rifle cartridge "high powered".

    It pretty much goes without saying in the crowd I run with.

    Your point escapes me.
     
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    We shouldn't add to the misinformation.

    A 240gr .44 Mag at about 1400 ft/s has the energy of an AR15 round. And it has close to, but a bit less momentum than a 230gr .45 ACP round at 860 ft/s.

    So, it's not more powerful than readily available handgun rounds.
     
  16. CoalTrain49

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    There you have it. The true measure of a high powered cartridge.:(

    Actually the .223 cartridge was first introduced for sporting purposes by Remington. The Army spiffed it up a bit and it became the 5.56 x 45 NATO.

    Personally I think of it more as a very good varmint cartridge.

    Somehow you've found a way to villainize a cartridge because it's associated with an AR.
     
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    30-06 in a Garand - America power.
     
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    [QUOTE="Double Naught Spy, post: 10677743, member: 220"I believe only Colorado, Connecticut, Illinois, Iowa, Massachusetts, Virginia, Ohio, New Jersey, Washington, and West Virginia are the only states requiring a larger cartridge. [/QUOTE]

    In Illinois you can't hunt deer with a rifle, shotgun only.
     
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