Archangel Sparta stock for Mini-14

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Kabal

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A couple of months ago, I bought an Archangel Sparta stock for my Mini-14. I noticed that there aren't many reviews on the Sparta stock out there, so I thought I'd share my experiences with you. (After typing the rest of this post, I saw that another user, johnnydollar, also got a Sparta stock and created a thread on it – but since my post got pretty lenghty, I think it's fine to start my own thread.)


This is my current setup:


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Assembly was not too difficult, but the stock was a very tight fit at the beginning. The first time I put it together, the trigger group barely fit in, but now that I've broken it down a few times in order to clean it, reassembly has come become much easier.

I also installed a picatinny rail below the handguard, as described in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfGg0xLokBo&feature=related

However, I wanted to have a rail that covers the full length of the handguard, so I went for a ProMag PM003 6" aluminum rail. Note that it has these little knobs that create some space between the rail and the handguard:


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These are important. If the rail fit flush with the handguard, you couldn't slide on most accessories because they wouldn't fit past the the gas block or the "magwell".

The spacing between the mounting holes on the PM003 did not match the spacing between the pre-drilled holes on the Sparta stock, so I had to drill my own holes, which was not much of a problem.


On the top rail, I installed a Burris AR-PEPR QD mount for my Bausch & Lomb Elite 3000 scope and a Magpul MBUS Gen2 BUIS. The scope does not quite hold its zero when removed and reattached via the Burris QD mount (if I do so, my shots are about 5-10 inches off at 50-100 yards). Still, an excellent mounting option. The scope has just the right height for me (without raising the cheek pad on the Sparta stock), and it's high enough so I can mount an MBUS Gen 2 below the scope.
As for the MBUS, I had to file some plastic away before the "switch" to flip up the sights would work properly once installed on the top rail of the Sparta stock. No big deal at all. I find these backup sights to be quite accurate.

On the 6 o'clock rail, I've installed a Leapers UTG bipod and a Magpul AFG2. The Leapers bipod is no Harris, but serves its purpose. The AFG2 may not be the best option. It's difficult to get a good grip around the handguard, which is not as slim as that of an AR-15. It sort of works for me, since I've got big hands, but I'll probably remove it or replace it with a standard vertical foregrip.

For cleaning the barrel of the rifle, I use an Otis cleaning kit. The standard Otis bronze brush is short enough to fit into the breach if you pull back on the slide handle. This allows for proper breach-to-muzzle cleaning without breaking down the rifle. For me, that's crucial, because I don't want to disassemble the Sparta stock after each shooting, and a boresnake just can't completely replace a brush.


Now, let me give you a short review of the Sparta stock itself.

The most important thing: the rifle is as accurate and as reliable as with the factory stock. Polymer seems to be of high quality. Probably not quite as good as the polymer on certain military rifles, but definitely solid.


What I like about the Sparta stock:

1. Mounting options thanks to the aluminum rail(s)

2. Ergonomics: I particularly like the collapsible stock (even on the shortest setting, it is significantly longer than the factory stock) and the pistol grip with storage compartment. Others might find the cheek riser useful, as well.

3. Looks: This is absolutely subjective, but I like the way this stock looks. It also catches a lot of attention at the range. I thought it was quite funny when several owners of expensive HK rifles gathered around me because they assumed I had some sort of high-end rifle.


What I do not like about the Sparta stock:

1. Weight: According to some other guys who put out the scales, the Sparta stock is about 1 lb heavier than the synthetic factory stock. I used to have the wooden stock on my Mini-14, and the weight difference feels like more than just a pound to me. I think the length of the Sparta buttstock makes the rifle a little more front-heavy, which adds to the "felt" weight of the gun. (A positive side-effect of the increased weight might be reduced recoil.)

2. Disassembly: You need a screwdriver to field strip the gun. You also have to remove the aluminum top which includes the picatinny rail before you can take out the action. I tend to disassemble my Mini-14 a little less often now that I have the Sparta stock. I still need to test whether the rifle holds its zero after disassembly/reassembly.



Conclusion:

The Archangel Sparta stock is an excellent choice for anyone who wants to have a Mini-14 with the mounting options of an AR and doesn't mind some additional weight. I heartily recomend it, unless you plan to carry your Mini-14 around for long periods of time, where weight might become an issue.
 
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Thanks for the review, and welcome to THR. I've been kind of eyeing that stock since it's the only Mini14 stock I've seen that actually looks good.
 
I must say that I'm not really a tactical fan. Having been up front about that, I can understand how someone who is would be very pleased by the results with that stock and that you have done a very good job with it.

I have actually considered the Mini 14, because it looks like a rifle. I am anachronistic in that while I am a child of the M16 age, my idea of rifles hark back to ones made of wood and steel, and even then, I'm not mad keen on military rifles. But I understand that having a rifle that looks like current military gear would be cool for others. That being said, with approximately 5000 outfits making ARs for the civilian market, including the makers of those supplied to the military, why not one of those?

Well, looking at the pictures again, and while it's not my thing, I recognize a cool looking rifle. I think I have answered my own question. While still a cool "modern sporting rifle", yours does have the distinction of not blending in with the herd. Well done, and do enjoy.
 
kabal, I certainly like my Sparta-stocked Mini, and yours is a good looking gun as well. It is a bit heavy, and just guessing, I'd say it is more than a pound heavier than the factory synthetic, though I, too, have read other posts where someone says its only a pound. As to carrying mine, I added a pair of Magpul RSA's to the top rail and I use these in conjunction with the MS-3 sling. It carries quite well in single point sling mode.
 
I thought it was quite funny when several owners of expensive HK rifles gathered around me because they assumed I had some sort of high-end rifle.

Maybe they were drawn by curiosity, the uniqueness or they just thought it was cool. I have a USC/UMP conversion and am not just drawn "High end" guns.
 
gunnutery said:
Thanks for the review, and welcome to THR. I've been kind of eyeing that stock since it's the only Mini14 stock I've seen that actually looks good.

Thanks for the welcome!
I agree... I thought about getting the ATI or Tapco stocks, but didn't really like their looks. Some people also say they are a little wobbly. I think the Troy stock looks good, as well, but I didn't want to spend that much money. After all, I wanted a cheap alternative to an AR.


RPRNY said:
I must say that I'm not really a tactical fan. Having been up front about that, I can understand how someone who is would be very pleased by the results with that stock and that you have done a very good job with it.

I have actually considered the Mini 14, because it looks like a rifle. I am anachronistic in that while I am a child of the M16 age, my idea of rifles hark back to ones made of wood and steel, and even then, I'm not mad keen on military rifles. But I understand that having a rifle that looks like current military gear would be cool for others. That being said, with approximately 5000 outfits making ARs for the civilian market, including the makers of those supplied to the military, why not one of those?

Well, looking at the pictures again, and while it's not my thing, I recognize a cool looking rifle. I think I have answered my own question. While still a cool "modern sporting rifle", yours does have the distinction of not blending in with the herd. Well done, and do enjoy.

Thank you!
At first, my Dad didn't like what I was going to do to my Mini either, but when he saw the result he agreed that it looked really good.

As for my reasons not to buy an AR, the answer is pretty simple. I didn't want to spend a lot of money. I live in Germany, where quality ARs are readily available (e.g. those made by Oberland Arms or Schmeisser). However, the cheapest AR series on the market starts at 1295 Euros ($1677) in the most basic configuration.
I bought my Mini-14 used for 350 Euros (scope included), and even with the money I spent on tuning, the new stock and all the accessories you can see on the pics I staid well below the price of an AR.

By the way, tactical rifles aren't as common in Germany as they are in the US. Until 2004, most of them were not even allowed here. Even today, young hunters who use AR-15s often get scowled at by their older colleagues who prefer more traditional designs.
Maybe that's why I'm not as fed up with tactical-looking black rifles as some of you who already grew up with them.

I still appreciate a good bolt-action or semi-auto rifle with a wooden stock, and my next buy might be along the lines of a Garand or an M1A.


johnnydollar said:
kabal, I certainly like my Sparta-stocked Mini, and yours is a good looking gun as well. It is a bit heavy, and just guessing, I'd say it is more than a pound heavier than the factory synthetic, though I, too, have read other posts where someone says its only a pound. As to carrying mine, I added a pair of Magpul RSA's to the top rail and I use these in conjunction with the MS-3 sling. It carries quite well in single point sling mode.

Your rifle looks great, as well. I like the EOTech on top of it.

Out of curiosity, I looked up the regular weight of the Mini-14 on the Internet. The sources I found vary between 6.39 and 6.75 lbs, which means that it should weigh less than 8 lbs with the Sparta stock.

That would be about as much as another gun I frequently handle - the G36. However, the last time I carried a G36 on a (simulated) patrol, all I thought was "thank God I don't have to carry my Mini-14 all this way". Honestly, the G36 carries like a toy gun compared to my Mini-14.

So I just decided to weigh my Mini in the exact same configuration you can see on the pics, and my scale tells me it weighs.... roughly 12.3 lbs. With an empty magazine, that is.
Yeah, my Mini weighs more than a scoped M-14! Is there a contest for the heaviest Mini-14 I can sign up for?

Even if you subtract, say, 3 pounds for the scope, BUIS, bipod, additional rail, foregrip and empty magazine, it still looks like my Mini-14 weighs between 9 and 9.5 pounds in the Sparta stock. Apparently the barrel modifications done to my rifle added a lot of weight. Or maybe my scale is off and I'm not as heavy as I thought either ;)

Can someone (Johnny?) give us the real weight of the Sparta stock?


JustinJ said:
Maybe they were drawn by curiosity, the uniqueness or they just thought it was cool. I have a USC/UMP conversion and am not just drawn "High end" guns.

I didn't mean to say that HK owners are people who are drawn to high-end guns only. If that's a stereotype, I wasn't even aware of its existence.

Most people on the range just happened to have HK rifles. There were about five or six SL8s, several SL6s and SL7s and at least one MR308.

The other guys were shooting a match at 300 meters, and I participated out of competition. I had better scores than most of them, which I can only explain by badly-adjusted scopes on their part.

A few months ago, I got some negative reaction from other shooters when I told them I was going to buy a Mini-14. It has a bad reputation in Germany (just like the SKS), probably because all that counts here is accuracy, and the factory Mini just isn't the most accurate rifle.
That's why I really enjoyed it when my rifle performed so well that it got the attention of other shooters who had spent 2 or 3 times as much on theirs. One of them even wanted to know where he could buy a Mini-14.


BTW: I like HK firearms. Neither the G36 nor the P8 have ever jammed on me in 10 years. I would take the G36 over an M16 any day (which has jammed on me...).
Congrats to your USC/UMP conversion. I've checked your thread and it looks like an awesome carbine!
 
I didn't mean to say that HK owners are people who are drawn to high-end guns only. If that's a stereotype, I wasn't even aware of its existence.

No worries. I didn't realize you were in Germany. Here in the states there is somewhat of a stereotype that HK is snobby due to prices and what not.

The rifle looks great, btw. I just picked up a used mini the other day in great shape for under $400 so I've been considering some mods and you've given me some ideas i wasn't even aware of.

In regards to the bottom rail there are foregrips and lights that don't need to slide in but instead the mounts expand large enough to mount directly. Just an option if you prefer to not use the spacers.

On a side note i'm green with envy that you have trigger time with a G36! Awesome rifles.

Happy shooting!
 
No worries. I didn't realize you were in Germany. Here in the states there is somewhat of a stereotype that HK is snobby due to prices and what not.

The rifle looks great, btw. I just picked up a used mini the other day in great shape for under $400 so I've been considering some mods and you've given me some ideas i wasn't even aware of.

In regards to the bottom rail there are foregrips and lights that don't need to slide in but instead the mounts expand large enough to mount directly. Just an option if you prefer to not use the spacers.

On a side note i'm green with envy that you have trigger time with a G36! Awesome rifles.

Happy shooting!


It's funny how brands have different images in different countries.
While HK is certainly considered the "Mercedes" among German gun companies by many shooters, HK firearms aren't significantly more expensive than other high quality firearms. The MR 223 and MR 308 cost a little more than most AR-15s or AR-10s, but the USP is in the same price range as the CZ 75, M&P 9 or Wather PPQ. A Sig Sauer P 226, on the other hand, costs about twice as much as any of these handguns...
HK prices in the US are something of a mystery to me.

Thanks for the tip with the rail. I think I'll keep the rail with the spacers, since they don't bother me. Good, affordable aluminum rails are difficult to get here, anyway.

G36s are indeed awesome rifles! Lately, the German media have brought up lots of stories about the G36 losing accuracy after sustained fire, melting handguards etc.
I wonder if this is some sort of anti-HK campaign or if there really are problems with the G36. I tend to think that any rifle would lose accuracy after several hundred rounds of sustained fire, and any polymer handguard might start to meld under these conditions.
 
Resurrecting this old thread to ask a question about sling attachment:

The Sparta stock has these little holes that ProMag calls "hard points for push-button, quick-detach sling-swivels".

Are these "hard points" ready to accept any QD sling swivel, or do I need to glue in some sort of mount first?

I am thinking about ordering two of these along with a 3-point sling:
http://www.brownells.com/shooting-a...-15-car-15-quick-detach-swivel-prod24866.aspx
 
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