Are all "decoppering" powders the same? I think not!

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After using CFE223 in my 222 Rem this year for F-class, I'm very impressed on how copper-free it has left my bore. It does leave a black, sooty material behind, but is easily removed with a few wet patches. It shows almost no hint of blue, even after soaking with Shooter's Choice.
On the other hand, I was told, and later confirmed with a call to the factory rep, that the Alliant Reloader series powders all had decoppering properties (except for RL17). I've used RL15 for about 8 yrs now in highpower, shooting and cleaning MANY times. I can tell you, I had to confirm that what I heard was true, because between my 223 ARs and my 308 M1A, I was continually cleaning copper from my bores. Patches were always coming out blue.
Does Alliant not put as much Bismuth, (or whatever the "magic" ingredient is) into their powder, or is it another variable, such as cartridge, powder level, bore condition, etc.?
Any input or experiences would be appreciated. Thanks!
 
I've burned a lot of R-15, R-19 and R-22. I get blue patches with my copper killer (Barnes CR10) just like you do.
So those powders are not quite as effective, or maybe it would be a lot worse without those copper fouling reducers.
In any case, those are good powders so I keep using them.

P.S. I've used Shooters Choice, but I think the Barnes solvent uses fewer patches for the same clean.
Montana Xtreme Kopper Killer is one of the best. I tried Gunslick's copper solvent but it worked poorly.
Just my experience.
 
Study the msds of the powders. Google the additives.

CFE® 223 Tin Dioxide

http://www.google.com/patents/US20050115452 de-coppering additive patent.
The decoppering agent can contain all kinds of suitable tin and bismuth compounds. Some suitable compounds are selected from the group consisting of metallic bismuth, bismuth alloys, bismuth compounds, metallic tin, tin alloys and tin compounds. The bismuth and tin either vaporizes or liquifies when the propellant is ignited and either embrittles or dissolves the copper deposits facilitating removal.

a mixture of tin and bismuth is a very good decoppering agent.

An OLD common decoppering agent is a sheet of lead foil deposited between the propellant and the projectile.
 
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