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Are all Makarov's created equal?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by BRad704, May 20, 2010.

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  1. BRad704

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    I know only a tiny bit about these guns, but am already beginning to love them... I got to hold one (and a Bersa 380) the other day and I love the way it fits and feels for a smaller pistol. According to the older guy working teh shop (who CC's his own Mak), the Bersa was designed after the Mak's.

    My main question is, Are all nationality of Makarov's created equal? The one I looked at was (I think) Hungarian and in very good condition for $319.j

    I am looking to trade away my SKS for a semiauto to keep for HD and eventually CC. Plus I really like the size so that my wife can shoot it too, and the all steel construction feels great! You KNOW you are holding a gun, albeit a smallish one...

    Is there any particular country of origin to seek out? or more importantly AVOID???

    Many thanks in advance, and if anyone wants to trade for a 1982 Sporterized Norinco in Monte Carlo stock w/ scope... lemme know. :)
     
  2. WardenWolf

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    East German Maks are generally considered the best. The Russian ones are probably some of the worse ones. I have a Bulgarian Makarov. I'm not too happy with its accuracy, although I suspect I just got a bad one because others report they're very accurate. I can't figure out what's up with it, though I'm considering rebarreling it with an American-made barrel. Bulgarian ones are normally considered some of the best, as they have chrome-lined barrels and generally better parts tolerance.
     
  3. zoom6zoom

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    Had my EG out shooting last weekend. It's a great little shooter.
     
  4. BRad704

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    Thanks for the quick reply Warden... I did some reading in the mean-time and found what you said already; Look for E. German or Bulgarian, not so much for the Chinese and Russians... I could have swore the one I looked at said Hungary, but maybe not.

    Here's a decent Wikipedia history on the Mak's...
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makarov_pistol
     
  5. WardenWolf

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    My Bulgarian Makarov is beautiful in fit and finish, but I'm not sure what's up with it. Rebarreling it with a new American-made barrel will be easy and cheap, though. I've ordered a set of Marschal grips for it, even though I've put some nice rubber grips on it already.
     
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    Are these something that is realistic for CC and SD? I like the SA/DA, but not having a mag release at the trigger is a bit odd to me. I guess that's why I like the Bersa also, I just like the 9x18 round.
     
  7. WardenWolf

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    It's a bit large, but I conceal mine crossdraw without a problem. I even have a holster that lets me tuck my shirt in over it, and it's totally concealed. It's much more comfortable to wear a pistol crossdraw because otherwise the grip hits the chair or whatever you're seating on and makes it a bit uncomfortable. The mag release is easy to use, and out of the way. A normal Makarov holds 8+1, and can feed hollowpoints reliably, so you likely won't need to change magazines in a pinch. Here's an idea of what I've with the gun:

    (1) Installed a Wolff 22-pound recoil spring.

    (2) Installed black rubber grips (soon to be replaced with nice wooden grips).

    (3) Wear it crossdraw, handle forward, on my left side. The holster is right behind my side belt loop. I use either a Don Hume 715 Makarov holster, or a cheap nylon holster that lets me tuck my shirt in over it.
     
  8. BRad704

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    Good to know, and it is still smaller than the 4" XD9 that is my dad's EDC.

    I think I am really ready to trade away the SKS now...
     
  9. WardenWolf

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    If you want good rubber grips, Pearce Grip makes a good replacement grip. It feels great in the hand. Between that and the spring swap, it's a fun, comfortable pistol to shoot. Contact me if you're looking for Makarov resources. I know a lot about these guns.
     
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    Not sure if you want a "true Makarov or just a pistol chambered in 9x18.

    I hated the triggers on all the Makarovs I tried until I came upon the CZ82.
    I have several other CZ's and feel they are one of the best guns for the money.

    It has a wonderful trigger, polygonal rifling and is scary accurate.

    Got it at AIM surplus when they had free shipping. Two mags and a holster.

    Parts for the CZ 83 (springs) will work in it. Best $200 gun I ever bought.

    They still have them,

    http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?groupid=104
     
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    If wander over to makarov.com you will be reading all day. Gunboards also has a dedicated Makarov forum. As has been said, the East Germans seem to be the best shooters.
     
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    Wardenwolf.... that was the first time I ever heard anyone say the Russian maks are the worst..... I have two of them.... one I shoot and carry...... it has never malfunctioned in anyway... I have second one still new in the box, never fired but it sure is pretty....

    what makes you say the Russians are the worst?
     
  13. WardenWolf

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    Just less accurate than some of the others. They're very reliable, and very nice looking, but they're not quite up to some of the other countries' offerings. Generally speaking, Romania and Bulgaria are the two top countries of choice for semi-auto ComBloc firearms. Yugoslavia has some good SKS's, though.
     
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    My two Bulgarians are my favorites, and I carry one of them sometimes. Both are very accurate. My EG has the best fit and finish and is also a good shooter. My Russian Commercial model was made in Satin Nickel and in .380 (B-West Import). It is also a great shooter and very accurate. You really can't go wrong with a Pistolet Makarov.
     
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    I have the Bulgarian, and love it, but may I recommend the PA 63? I know the OP said steel, but the PA 63 mostly is, with a very strong aluminium alloy frame, and with a more ''Western friendly'' magazine release.My PA 63 fires the same ammo as my Mak, has the same takedown, and cost a third as much, so the OP can KEEP his SKS, which he really should, anyhow.
     
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    There is actually a PA63 in the for sale section that the seller mentioned trade for an SKS...

    What should a fair-good condition PA63 be selling for? Just so I have SOME reference... Because I have seen people talk about getting them for $100-150 before.
     
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    I have a Russian Mak.

    There is a big market for them in S America, because they are cheap, tough and reliable.

    Although they are civilian models, coming straight from the factory, they do not have the adjustable rear sights that you find in the States.

    These have the same fixed sights as the military types, and are indistinguishable from them.

    As far as I can see quality and accuracy are fine.

    However, I've not seen an E German or Bulgarian version, so have nothing to compare mine to.

    I heard somewhere that the Chinese ones were of an inferior quality, but I've never heard bad reports of the Russian ones.
     
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    I had a Russian commercial makarov (IJ-70) that I was more of less happy with it, so I can't bash 'em.
    However, in my experience, I find the CZ-82 preferable in just about every conceivable way.
    Unless you are wanting a makarov simply to have a makarov, it might benefit you to look into other offerings as well, especially the CZ-82.
     
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    I'm really leaning more towards the PA-63 now...
     
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    The PA-63 is impossible to get parts for, and is a little more prone to breakage due to its alloy construction. It is, however, a beautiful gun, and I want one. It's probably one of the nicest looking service pistols I've ever seen. For the record, and this is something I learned on the P-64 forums: do NOT use Wolf 9x18 ammo. Their primers are too hot and will burn off the tip of the firing pin over time. Stick to Silver Bear, PRVI Partizan, S&B, the like.
     
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    my cz 82 isn't pretty alot of holster wear but she is a good shooter & i have not had one malfuction of any kind. you can even carry it cocked & locked if you like.
     
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    I have 2 Bulgarian Maks and they are very accurate. Bone stock except for pierce grips on one. Cut the grass today with it in my front pocket today. I Just picked up a Feg SMC in 380 for a good price. There is allot of info. here on Maks. Hit the search function .
     
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    Brad, I may have missed it in this thread but want to clarify that if you are buying a PA-63 or any pistol made in Hungary, you are not buying a genuine Makarov. There's a big difference between a pistol that shoots 9 x 18 Makarov ammunition and a genuine Makarov pistol.

    The genuine Russian Makarov pistol was only made in four countries, Russia, East Germany, Bulgaria, and China (Norinco). All the parts for these guns are interchangeable. All the other guns that shoot 9 x 18 caliber ammo and are not made in these four countries are not Makarovs and their parts do not interchange. Just wanted to repeat this again for the good of the order. :)
     
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    That is just completely wrong. What in the world was HK's motivation to make such a stipulation?

    Such a shame....
     
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