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Are any Republican presidential hopefuls really supportive of the 2nd Amendment?

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  1. vito

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    We know the Democrats are almost universally in support of strict gun control, and I fear that many Republican hopefuls are not much better. Giving your vote to a Libertarian or other fringe party candidate is likely to be just another vote for Queen Hilary. Of the many Republicans who are likely to seek the nomination, are any of them really a friend of those of us who are dedicated to protecting our right to keep and bear arms?
     
  2. Zrex

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    Every politician is a friend of the second amendment. They will all tell you that. Just make sure you ask them to define the meaning of the second amendment.

    Even the ones who say it is an individual right have no problems with restricting it. I would imagine that half of the people here would have no problem restricting it.
     
  3. bestseller92

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    Senator George Allen of Virginia is very strong on the Second Amendment.
     
  4. Bartholomew Roberts

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    Also, while I couldn't say what he truly believes, Senator Bill Frist has certainly been a good ally in the Senate. His willingness to use a rare parliamentary procedure called "filling the tree" stopped Feinstein's AWB from being attached to a bill in July 2004 and it also helped lawsuit protection pass in 2005. Based on his actions, I think he would stand up for RKBA as President.
     
  5. Bubbles

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    Good point. Even Chuckie Schumer claims to support the Second Amendment - the "collective right" interpretation of it... :banghead:


    Yes, though as a long-time Virginia GOP activist I can say that unfortunately he has to be shocked in the b***s with a political cattle prod before he'll do anything about it. :rolleyes:
     
  6. Oldtimer

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    Senators Bill Frist and George Allen have been FAIRLY good at gun-related issues.

    I may be mistaken, but Newt Gingrich has stated that he is 100% pro-Second Amendment AND gun rights for individuals.

    On the other side of the political aisle, isn't John Kerry pro-gun? We've seen him with shotguns after doing some goose hunting, and he supposedly drilled some .50 caliber holes in enemy forces during his VERY short Viet Nam duty! (Pardon me, I think that I just bit my tongue!)
     
  7. Camp David

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    OnTheIssues here shows President Bush's positions on various gun-related issues.

    Many gun advocates have become disappointed with the current adminstration in terms of gun policy issues, yet their disenchantment largely hinges on aspects of the Patriot Act and homeland security policy as opposed to strictly gun-related issues. In terms of support for Second Amendment Rights, the president remains committed to the ideals of the NRA and the rights of American gun owners.
     
  8. Ira Aten

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    Condaleeza Rice is definitely

    Condi Rice responded to a question about her stance on the 2nd, and she delivered one of the most wonderful statements about the 2nd, (and the 14th Amendments guarantee after Reconstruction that all "persons" will have that same right to keep and bear arms to also protect themselves) that I ever heard.

    She said that without the 2nd, and 14th, her father would not have been able to keep guns to provide protection for her, and the rest of his family from Klan members where she grew up.

    She does not have any problem "interpreting" the reason we have a right to keep and bear arms. She is the only person closely resembling an American in the whole bunch.

    Intellectually, McCain, Frist, Guliani, and just about the entire Senate and House would need to climb to the top rung of a step ladder, and jump as high as they could, just to kiss her rear end.

    She is smart enough not to trust anyone in the United Nations no matter what, and she believes in the 2nd and 14th, as an actual core value from childhood.

    I only wish the effort to get her to run could be successful. She is the only Republican I would consider voting for and supporting in 2008. Otherwise, I am going with a Libertarian party or a Constitutional party vote if any other candidate is nominated for that race. Guliani or McCain would sign the U.N. Gun Small Weapons Ban treaty just as quickly as Hillary Clinton or Chuck Schumer would.

    PS. Camp David, Bush can't run in 2008. And he wanted to extend the AK ban that the Clintonistas got passed. The only thing that stopped him is the Senate and House had better sense at the time, so he gave up pushing it.
     
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    Craig of Idaho.

    Delay was a good good friend of the RKBA, he didn't shout it from the roof tops but as 'Majority Leader' he always had an eye out for gun owners.
     
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    Really?

    Didnt he support AWB renewal?

    With the stroke of his pen, he could have single-handedly reversed all of the bad executive orders regarding firearms importation signed by his daddy and Clinton... but for some reason he hasn't.

    I see very little commitment to the 2nd Amendment in Bush.
     
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    I second that Rice is a supporter of individual RKBA. I think that her daddy defended their family during racial tensions in the South using firearms, or something to that effect.
     
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    are there any pro 2nd amendment anti-illegal alien guest-worker/amnesty candidates out there?
     
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    Tom Tancredo and Tom Coburn. I doubt either will run for the White House, though.
     
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    Absolute onlyiest republican I could conceive of voting for for Prez would be Ron Paul.

    He's really a stealth Libertarian.

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    Condi, Condi, Condi. I continue to read this drivel on all the gun boards. You guys need to get a clue. Condoleeza Rice is NOT a conservative. She is part of the cabal that wants to TAKE YOUR GUNS. Wake up, people.

    She NEVER said that she supports an INDIVIDUAL right to keep and bear arms. What she said was that her father and his pals formed a "sort of militia" to protect themselves. The same kind of ambiguous statement of support for the 2nd Amendment that you hear from creeps like John Kerry and the rest of the crowd that really wants to disarm you.

    She is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. They promote global governance (read: United Nations). The United Nations wants to take your guns. You do the math.
     
  17. yucaipa

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    "I also don't think we get to pick and choose in the Constitution. The Second Amendment is as important as the First Amendment." May 11, 2005

    "My father and his friends defended our community in 1962 and 1963 against white nightriders by going to the head of the community, the head of the cul-de-sac, and sitting there armed. And so I'm very concerned about any abridgement of the Second Amendment." May 11, 2005

    "I am a Second Amendment absolutist." Summer, 1999


    If you think Rice is part of the UN plot to "take away your guns" you need to rethink this, you took a wrong turn somewhere.
     
  18. longeyes

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    Frist has no shot at the Presidency, especially after his hamfisted handling of the immigration bill.

    George Allen will have trouble retaining his Senate seat.

    I wouldn't count on either of those guys.

    Condi? I don't see her running, and although I like many things about her I think the prospect of her running for the Presidency without first holding major elective office is far-fetched. She is also very identified with W., and that's no plus right now.
     
  19. cropcirclewalker

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    Arlen Specter

    He had a magic bullet theory.
     
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    I would say that is Condoleeza Rice's biggest obstacle.

    I am so tired of Bush there is no way I could vote for anyone who worked for him.
     
  21. VARifleman

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    Mark Warner (formger VA governor) has been decent on it as far as I can tell. Someone on here can verify I'm sure. although he's a democrat.
     
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    True.

    Which only means they will change what they say about it ... they won't change what they DO about it.
     
  23. wheelgunslinger

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    From what I've seen in the last two elections, my vote doesn't mean jack squat when it comes to the presidential candidates. Elections got hijacked, green party candidates got excluded from my ballot by my state (NC).
    I'll vote for a Libertarian candidate if I can't vote for a Green party candidate- unless some Federalist Papers party comes into being. Either way, my vote won't matter since the election for president isn't one. It's an office chosen by the electoral college, the members of which will do whatever is most financially and politically expedient for them as individuals.
    My congressional, state, and local politicians are the only ones I can pull the reigns back on or even attempt to influence with my vote and will get more of my attention. In fact, I'm going to try running for office in a couple of years here on the local level.
     
  24. Battler

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    77% rule - 77% of the population support any "reasonable" incremental gun control step.

    A politician who openly opposes 77% of the population on an issue is not viable a national politician.

    Take the AWB. Kerry openly supported the AWB. Clinton openly supported the AWB. Bush openly supported the AWB. But what you say and what you do can be separate - if you REALLY support the AWB you go on TV and wave your finger at the camera talking about NRA members, and horse-trade votes FOR the AWB.

    "Gun rights" is the queen mother superior of lost causes. We are buying time. Given a good shooting massacre a politician who wishes to remain viable must support gun control. Through electing politicians who are more predisposed towards delay/inaction on the issue (the closest thing to support that a viable politician can give) you buy time to play with your guns.


    Battler.
     
  25. Correia

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    77% people may say that, but what percentage have a clue, or do anything about it. It is easy to answer yes in some nebulous poll.

    The people on our side tend to be a lot more vocal, actually campaign, write checks, so on and so forth. A vocal, active minority is a lot more powerful than a large majority that doesn't give a damn.

    The majority of people are in favor of balanced budgets, world peace, and clean air. Doesn't mean that any of them have a clue about how to do any of these things either.

    On the whole Condi is a one worlder, and the Bush administration is just here to cleave us into the UN, why in the world did they fight to confirm John Bolton as the ambassador?
     
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