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Are armed citizens overrated?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by monotonous_iterancy, Apr 24, 2013.

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  1. JustinJ

    JustinJ Senior Member

    Feb 15, 2011
    Austin, TX
    It may be time to reread whatever debate strategy book you read. Given i never set a standard regarding the Boston bombing i can't be "moving the goal post" to begin with. See post #127 for an actual example of "moving the goal post".

    You seem to be working of this notion that in this dystpopian tyrannical state everything is exactly the same as it is now except there is now a dictator in charge. No checkpoints, constant military presence, surveillance, bomb sniffing dogs, etc.

    The point is that the Boston Bombing is apples to oranges with your Red Dawn fantasy. Pulling off numerous of said events against hard targets in a police state has nothing to do with dropping a back pack on a crowded street.

    Last time i address your beloved Irish. The military technology available today allows a modern military to fight a rebellion in a completely different manner than 100 years ago. Whatever military advantage of the Brits that the Irish were able to nuetralize, it does not translate due to modern techology. Next, the British were invading foreign soil. They had the option of returning home and the government did have to answer to it's people so the whole analogy is weak beyond just being complete outdated.

    I'm sorry, but are you actually accusing me of appeal to authority after you brought up military experience? Are you serious? I mentioned the invdividual not to prove my point but only to show how your standard of authority is BS. All i can say is, again, reread your debate book.

    First, the arms available in the area were more than just rifles. Second, a peace keeping mission is apples to oranges with a dictator fighting opposition at home. It would take just a relative handful of deaths before the western citizens would start demanding a withdrawl from a country half way around the world that most people couldn't point out on a map to save their life. Dictators generally don't worry about public opinion, ya know, being dictators and all.

    Ahh, but you expected me to be by your self cited credentials. Moving the goal posts, hell, you decided to tear them down.

    Ad hominem and indirect appeal to authority all in one sentence. If you categorize my comments as any more of "finality" than countless others then you have no idea of what the term means.

    I didn't call anybody a fool, i'm just saying it's backwards thinking; seeking evidence to support a position rather than form it.

    I also did not say armed resistance is categorically futile. I said that the arms available to US citizens can not defeat the government and most people who believe they can adopt that position because they want it to be so.

    But hell, i'm largely glad its just a fantasy because most of the people i do hear say nonsene like "it's almost time" are just about the last people i would want in charge as most of them actually value liberty about as much as the Taliban, in spite of constant claims otherwise.

    When i was like 17 or so after reading some conspiracy theory, militant literature i believed in the armed rebellion fantasy too, for like a week. Then i actually stoped to think about it rationally. All the diatribes about overthrowig the government do far more harm to gun right's than help defend them. They alienate people and fortify portrayals of gun owners as all being extremists militant nuts with delusions about "taking back their country".
    Last edited: Apr 27, 2013
  2. hang fire

    hang fire Participating Member

    Jan 8, 2012
    The latest figures show there are 33 million illegal aliens presently in the US. Although our goverment seems to be perfectly happy with it, to me, that is an invasion.
  3. JRH6856

    JRH6856 Senior Member

    Dec 5, 2011
    Flower Mound, TX
    ^^^ those are "undocumented immigrant economic contributors"
  4. Al Thompson

    Al Thompson Moderator Staff Member

    Dec 21, 2002
    South Carolina
    Bickering..... :rolleyes:
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