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Are background checks necessary?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by monotonous_iterancy, Dec 30, 2012.

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  1. Warp

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    So every single person who has a pocket knife somewhere in their vehicle while it is in a parking lot of a college football game in the state of Georgia is fair game for a lifetime of disarmament?
     
  2. larryh1108

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    Let them win?
    Sorry, punishment for crimes goes back a lot further than our Constitution.
    You steal, they cut off your hand.
    You stole a horse, they hung you.
    Punishment for crimes goes back as far as humanity existed.
    What did who win?
    The right to not be a victim is more important than any right you feel is inherit.
     
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    So if I were to go to a college football game here in Georgia, with a Gerber pocket knife with a 3" blade in my center console...who is the victim? What harm is the victim suffering that justifies punishing me?
     
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    So you think a guy who stuck a gun in your face, stole your car, drove to your home, stole all of your possessions and shot your dog deserves to keep his rights? Obviously you do. We agree to disagree.


    You keep using this one example.
    Please provide how many people have been convicted of a felony for doing this.
    If you know it's illegal then don't bring the knife to the game.
    If you don't know it's illegal and it's your first offense, I doubt you will get a felony conviction. If you have a record of previous convictions and they charge with a felony you then chose a life of crime and deserve to lose your rights.

    So, yes. If it's a conviction for a felony, you lose.
    Fight the law, not the concept.
     
  5. Warp

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    It's a felony.

    You say that by pure definition a felony deserves this punishment.

    By refusing to answer you are showing that you, clearly, don't believe all felonies deserve this punishment.

    And here is a similar example for you

    http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/knife-in-car-equals-felony-charge-for-teen/nFC6S/

    "A school officer found a Swiss Army knife in Chandler’s car’s console. Under the school’s zero tolerance policy it was an automatic suspension for Chandler.
    The next day, the Chandlers found out Will had also been charged with a felony.
    “We found out that my son, there’s a felony warrant out for him. It just seems like a nightmare. We’re still in shock,” said Sharon Chandler"



    According to you, a swiss army knife in the console of your car = a lifetime of disarmament.

    Sounds like the kind of thing the Brady Campaign would support. You know, the more people that can be prohibited from arms, the happier they are, regardless of the how/why
     
  6. larryh1108

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    I did answer your question. I'll copy and paste it for you.

    Now, did this one example result in a felony conviction?
    Is there signs posted stating it is illegal to possess a knife on the campus?
    If he knows it was illegal and still had it he is stupid.

    Last year, when I went to pick up my carry permit, a sign on the door said that it was illegal to have a knife or any similar type instrument of any size in the building. It was a block walk to the car. I put my pocket knife in the console before I went in. I have a small knife on my key chain. Rather than checking the process, I walked back to the car to remove my keychain knife. I'm glad I did, they had a metal detector inside. If I was lazy or didn't feel the law applied to me I may have been charged with possessing a weapon on government property. It was a 1.5" keychain knife. I read the sign. I wasn't lazy or stupid. I did not get arrested. I guess I'm smarter than a lot of people who don't think the law is for them. Like I said, fight the dumb law, not the process. It is a dumb law. I agree. It is unfair. I agree. It should be fought for the penalty being unfair. However, until it is, it is a felony and you lose your rights.

    Now, what happened previously to have that law put in place? Sounds like a knee jerk reaction to something that happened. I would guess it was in response to a situation where somebody at the campus used a small knife to do some serious damage. Like the knee jerk reactions today, stupid laws get put in place for the wrong reasons and the people who follow the law pay the price.
     
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    I am very sad to hear that you think that. :(


    Don't know.

    None that I have seen.

    BTW: The same law applies to colleges. I just finished going back to school, and even worked security on campus part time. At my student orientation the person giving it said that the knife length limit was 4". In point of fact, over 2" is a felony. The student handbook does not list the length limit in it. People carried knives 3" or so long ALL THE TIME. Felonies everywhere. Literally. I am very sad to hear that you believe these people are all 'on the table' for a lifetime of disarmament.

    When people, often people I knew from classes, had a pocket knife visible on the pocket, or pulled it out to use it on something, while I was working security, I told them discreetly that they should put it away, and why. I could have got on the radio to have an officer or three come over and hit them up with a felony. But that would be asinine.
     
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    It seems that getting convictions would be hard with what you describe. If the student handbook does not list the maximum length, if the student orientation said (wrongly) it was 4" and there are no signs posted, how is anybody supposed to know? It would be a field day in court with a lawyer. I don't see any convictions for first time offenders considering there is no literature and wrong information that is available to warn them. It sounds like another useless law on the books that can't be enforced if pushed. If nothing else, it should not be more than a misdemeanor unless the knife was used in an aggressive manner. I seriously doubt anyone lost their rights for life from this law unless they had a history of breaking the law or were reckless with the knife. Someone should challenge the severity of this law before someone does suffer, if they haven't already.
     
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    ...but it's a felony. And people ARE charged with it, even when they hav edone nothing aggressive in any way at all...and nothing else out of line. There are lots of examples like the one I gave, that was just the first one Google found offhand.

    And there are a lot of other very stupid felonies. Things that are a felony in one state and LEGAL in another. And you support a lifetime of disarmament for ignorantly violating this laws where nobody is hurt and there is no victim.

    This is what is wrong with our country. At least part of what is wrong.

    Oh, if you want to get into convictions, I could talk about the teenage male who had consensual oral sex with his 16 year old girlfriend who was then sentenced to 10 years in prison for a "crime against nature".
     
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