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Are high end 1911s worth the money?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by epijunkie67, Oct 9, 2012.

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  1. Slamfire

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    As a target M1911, this Les Baer Wadcutter is outstanding. It is worth the price if you want an extremely accurate match pistol.

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  2. Deaf Smith

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Wesson_Firearms

    The company was founded in 1968 by Dan B. Wesson. Karl R. Lewis. But Serva bought the company. He then made 1911s. But happily this was before CZ got the company (and thus my C-BOB was per-CZ.)

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  3. GLOOB

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    A high end 1911 is like an expensive pool cue. It shows you're serious about your sport and can afford to spend a little more or a lot; the sky's the limit. And it might even be more accurate.

    But the best pool players will beat you with any stick.

    I guess it depends what you plan to do with it. Even just as a safe queen, an expensive 1911 will be worth it for some.
     
  4. medic_guns

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    I owned a les baer but sold only because I did not like the shortened grip of the Stinger model (officer grip). Yes, a custom gun is worth the money.
     
  5. jfrey

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    As some have mentioned, and I will again, high end 1911s are made by Baer, Brown, Wilson, and Nighhawk - not by Kimber. IMHO Kimber is way over priced for what you get. That's been my experience. Why pay $1500.00 for a Kimber when you can get a real gun by Baer for $300.00 more. It just doesn't make sense to me. I would take a Springfield over a KImber any day. Maybe not as pretty but more robustly made and will last longer.
     
  6. Hit_Factor

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    You took the words right out of my mouth, can't agree more.

    I sold the one Kimber after learning what a good 1911 is. Now I own several Springfields, several STI, a Baer Ultimate Master, and a very high end SVI IMM.

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  7. Detritus

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    I have to agree with this.

    Kimbers Used to be worth the asking price. back before the advent of the "Series II" changes. No firing pin block, better fit and finish and a price not too far above (and sometimes the same or lower than) a similar Springfield.

    But now the most basic "Custom II" variant is is going for as much as the "Royal" was back when i first started looking at them. they've got a Firing pin block safety added in, and the guts have been cheaped out on. frankly if you can stand the looks the STI Spartan is a better built gun for less cash.

    than again I don't know of many production (mass produced, non Semi-custom) 1911s regardless of price that I would keep stock. they ALL have concessions to cost etc that I'd be change in short order.
     
  8. ljnowell

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    So far I havent found much to change on my Sig GSR Revolution. I'm the guy that usually tinkers with everything, including my glock.
     
  9. Detritus

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    SIG is one of the reasons I say most production 1911s. The only things I'd change on the SIG made 1911s i've been able to handle come down to ergonomics or personal preference.

    I prefer Arched MSHs because they make the gun point better for me, and I don't particularly like the blockier slide profile most of their 1911 line has. Not to say i'd pass up A spartan or Scorpion but overall my tastes run more toward the traditional.
     
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  10. el Godfather

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    To answer OP's question- Yes.
     
  11. ljnowell

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    Yeah, to be honest, I was never big on the slide shape of the Sig 1911. I was looking for a trade a couple weeks ago though, and when it was offered I realized that it was a pretty good deal, even if I just wanted to trade it off later on, so I went ahead and did it. After putting a few hundred rounds down range with it I have to admit that it really grew on me. It feels like any other 1911 in the hands, and I think its just a little heavier because of the slide, but it sure shoots like a dream.

    I cant fault someone for saying they prefer the traditional lines of a 1911 slide, I always have too.
     
  12. bdejong11129

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    I am not sure where sone are purchasing their Kimbers but the Custom can be found for 700 and some change all day long. So for a few hundred over the very low end guns you get a higher (Note the use of higher and not high end as the OP did).

    So for a higher end nice looking gun you can gobthat route and stay well below the entry price of a Dan Wesson or les bear.

    Series 80 guns are not the devil, if you really do not like the firing pin block them just remove it. However, I as stayed before a good shooter will beat you with allmost any gun.



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  13. OilyPablo

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    Kimber 1911's are not high end. They are just over priced. No they are not junk, but I have four friends who have bought Kimber 1911's and they have had issues (4 of 4, small sample but wow) - solved now but my Colt, Sig and Ruger never had any issues. Dan Wesson is lower-upper crust. I would say at $1500+, more than my DD M4V3, that's a lot cash for a 1911.

    Would I pay $4500 for a Wilson? Totally subjective. I will when I hit the big one!

    Simple question. Tough answer. You can have a fully functioning 1911 for under $1000 or you can have a fully functioning 1911 for $5000. One just is so much nicer to touch and brag on. (And I will bet a tad more accurate on a paper target)
     
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    Not to me, been there, done that, bought the T Shirt. But, it's a free world, knock yourself out. :D Mine were cheap, not the high end stuff. I can't ride the damned thing to work, ya know. :rolleyes: Start getting up to 5K, I start thinkin' about motorcycles, not guns.
     
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    Really? I notice you put "under real pressure." Why would that matter? Not all guns are bought with the intention of being used as a self defense gun, in fact, I would bet less than 10% of the Les Baers sold with the 1.5" package are bought for defense purposes. My latest 1911 was bought solely with the purpose of competing with it. I have a glock that will shoot 6" groups that I use for defense.

    To say that no one can shoot those groups is silly, read about bullseye shooting.
     
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    At Perry this year, the top slow-fire score was 195-9X (20 shots). The X ring on the target is 1.695" and the 10-ring is 3.36". If your gun can't shoot a 3" 10-shot group from a mechanical rest at 50 yards, you are fighting an uphill battle in the bullseye game.
     
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    I shoot 25 yard bullseye in a league, and if you cut that 6" in half to 3" thats what it takes to be competitive. I think a lot of people just make the assumption that becasue they can't shoot that well, no one can.
     
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    Very true.

    As for the high-end 1911s, I'd say that the really high-priced production guns (Wilson, Brown, etc.) are not worth the money. You're better off to get a lower-priced gun and let a high-end gunsmith work it over. I think it would be cheaper.
     
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    My Custom II was $630 NIB, several years ago. I think they are about $720 now.
     
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    To get a feel for good quality and accuracy, yes..

    I think the answer is yes, but if you're budget minded just get one (read on).
    Kimber is 'higher' end in that from a mechanical rest (that is to say, objectively) you'll notice better accuracy and a much, much nicer trigger than the 'lower' end 1911s. The contrast between these two levels is greater IMHO than the difference between a Kimber and a Wilson.
    For this reason alone - eliminating the equipment as much as possible from the equation of 'how good a shot am I' - it's worth owning a good quality 1911.
    That said, whether Kimber or Baer, don't think you'll be taking it out into the boonies with you. As other posters have mentioned, condition is everything when it comes to retaining value. If you buy a high-end handgun, unless you light your cigars with Benjamins, you should take it to the range or competition yard for fun, but do your utmost to protect its condition/value.
    For the woods and slogging through the grime, etc, you'll be better off accurizing a solidly built gun for a lower price, based on your knowledge of what a 'good' gun should feel and shoot like from shooting your higher end gun.
    Make sense?
     
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    And your experience with Wilson and/or Ed Brown is what exactly?
     
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    The reason I would say so, is that I have shot the higher end guns, including Wilson, Les Baer, etc, and I have no idea what it is they are supposed to do for more than three times the price. Better? Somewhat. THREE TIMES BETTER? I don't see how. The Nighthawk I shot at the range, with a $2700 price tag, jammed on me.
     
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    I use to tell a friend of mine, "Man I can buy 3 guns for what you paid that". All he would say is "You sure can". This went on for years, then I traded for a Les Baer. After I shot it, I called him. All he said was know you know. There is a difference in the Customs and Semi Custom over the off the rack guns. Are they worth the cost, I would say some. I think Baer is the best buy out there, but if you look and aren't in a hurry. You can pick up a custom from some of the Master GunSmith's out there. About 8mo ago I got a Yost-Bonitz off Gunbroker for $1000 in EX condition. My Friend I mentioned earlier is selling a Colt done by Novak Customs for $1700. If you sent your pistol to them, it would cost you over $3000 and a long wait.
     
  24. Derek Zeanah

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    To a large degree it depends on your financial situation and what you value. You can buy a new Subaru with all wheel drive for under $20,000. Is a new Mercedes all wheel drive vehicle worth the significant premium? Well, it depends. Both will get you where you need to go safely, but there are some advantages to the Mercedes that many will value over the Subaru.

    For others, the Subaru is plenty, and a 1980 Jeep CJ that they can maintain themselves is an even better buy.

    It all depends on what you value and what you're willing to pay for. This isn't a question with a boolean answer that's valid for the population as a whole.
     
  25. jim243

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    Value is subjective, you can buy 1911's for $350-$500 range, or $600-$750 range, or $700-$1,100 range or $1,200- $1,500 range, or $1,800-$2,800 range.

    So high end is realitive to each persons budget and grouping depending on features and price. Sometimes you are paying for better quality parts, sometimes for the features that are on the 1911's. Higher end will have both extra features and better quality parts.

    You will have to decide on what YOU can afford and purchase the "Best" you can with what resources you have. Yes, it is nice to have unlimited funds, but car payments, house payments, food and clothing come in play here and you should stick within your budget untill you win the Lottery, then you can get the "Higher End" stuff (LOL)

    Jim
     
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