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Are HK pistols worth the money?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Full Metal Jacket, Jan 17, 2010.

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are HK pistols worth what they cost?

  1. YES

    304 vote(s)
    45.7%
  2. NO

    361 vote(s)
    54.3%
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  1. usp9

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    I voted Yes...Oh yes.

    So, what you are saying is;

    The huge variety HK offers is worth nothing
    The highest quality materials count for nothing
    The manufacturing processes, machining and finishing are cost free
    Innovation just happens

    Question...would the Glock exist without the HK? I wonder.

    The question then is; why are Glocks so expensive?
     
  2. benderx4

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    They are no more expensive than Sigs or a decent 1911, yet they are always under this monetary scrutiny, what's up with that? When it comes to firearms, it's a serious business and I only purchase the best. (HK, Beretta, Colt revolvers) If you're on a budget, get yourself a Taurus.
     
  3. Pilot

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    I think many of these posts are similar to those who bash Mercedes and BMW.

    If you can't afford one, don't buy it. Period.
     
  4. Mp7

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    i´ve shot a USP .. and would love to try the P7!

    call me biased, but like with a used car ... if i´d be in
    the market for a used handgun ... HK and SIG
    would be on top of the list ....
    So would Mercedes, Volkswagen AND Toyota.

    HK is mercedes.
    Glock is like the urban-city-mini.
     
  5. android

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    Another thing to consider is that I can buy an HK and it is completely ambidextrous right out of the box, nothing else to buy. I'm a lefty and I can shoot it with either hand, and my wife can shoot it right handed. Most other brands are right handed or require mods to be ambi or left handed.

    If you haven't owned one, you really shouldn't be allowed to vote in this poll.

    A more accurate poll would be:

    * owned and think they're worth it.
    * owned and don't think they're worth it.
    * never owned one, but think they might be worth it.
    * never owned one, but think they're too expensive.
     
  6. BlayGlock

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    Ill second that possum. Nothing wrong with an HK, I mean you dont see Jack Baeur using a Glock. But for the money, I can get two Glocks, M&Ps, ect.
     
  7. NinjaFeint

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    I don't see Jack Bauer do anything because I think that show is terrible. Also, HK's are overpriced, none that I have shot seem worth the extra money over other pistols in the $500 range.
     
  8. vaupet

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    To me, every penny of them
    first you have accuracy: excellent
    then handling: very nice
    materials and production quality: no compromise there, look at the testing done for the mk23 by the special forces , so part of the price is already explained and will perform in life-expectatncy (30000 rnds without a single faillure)

    and then you argue over 200 $ on a 20 year investment, when you pay sevarl hundreds on ammo or fuel for your car. If you care for quality, it will be worth the little extra money.
    My most expensive rifle is a Walther LG300 XT and my most expensive handgun is a Steyer LP10
     
  9. zhyla

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    This is not a bad idea... Android, why don't you start a new poll?

    For a full-sized combat pistol I prefer the ergonomics of the USP. I've never regretted what I paid for it new. I've got other pistols but this is the one I would want to depend on.

    I think there are two kinds of gun owners. Some of us buy enough guns for protection and maybe a couple fun ones for plinking. Some others are really more into collecting (the guys who own more Glocks than you knew Glock made, for example). A safe full of HK pistols is really cost prohibitive compared to, say, Glocks. For these kinds of people to bitch and moan about prices is just silly.
     
  10. Hatterasguy

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    I don't think they are that much more expensive than Sig's or 1911's. Heck guys pay $2k-$3k+ for 1911's all the time.


    I think HK makes great guns. My problem with HK is about their long guns. They pretty much flip off the civilian market, and don't even make the slightest effort to sell anything interesting. Want a G36 good luck. Want a PSG1, MP5, G3? Cough up tons money. When is the civilian 416/417 coming out? I'm guessing never on that, or if they do, they will ship like 1k, end production, and the prices will go sky high.

    I'd like HK if they actualy gave a damn about the civilian market and made the smallest effort to actualy sell the stuff we want to buy. So far all they have done is sue GSG for making the MP5, which sold like crazy because people want them.
     
  11. Highland Ranger

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    HK Bias . . .

    Perhaps someone more schooled can cite the specifics - - I believe the bias is because HK is perceived as catering to the military / LEO market, with selling to civilians a seeming after thought or perhaps necessary evil.

    If true, it could be some of that European anti-gun mentality, or whatever the German culture has become post WWII.

    In my experience with their customer service people, NOT true.
     
  12. Highland Ranger

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    (looks like someone posted an example while I was typing!)
     
  13. Starcheck55

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    the initial investment in a gun pales in comparison to the price of feeding it over the years. I currently own an HK and when my finances allow for it I'll own others. Same goes for other manufacturers that I hold in high regard. (read: not taurus)
     
  14. Ala Dan

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    imho, way overly priced~! ;)

    *previous owner of a full size .45 caliber H&K USP
     
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  15. col_tapiocca

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    I don't buy anything made in Germany. Neither guns or cars.
    They are overpriced and not worth the money.
    I'm fan of French car and Swiss and Austrian made guns.
     
  16. RX-178

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    I went with HK partly because of their reputation for quality, mostly because there were very slim pickings on weapons that met my preferences, and HK was one of them.

    What I wanted was:

    .45 ACP caliber.

    1911 style frame safety. Didn't want a slide safety or a decocker-only gun.

    A good single action trigger pull by my own subjective definition.

    Over 10 round magazine capacity (in retrospect, I probably could have reconsidered that, but at the time I was looking for my first carry weapon I'd be DARNED if I was going to buy a handgun with an AWB compliant magazine capacity!)

    Polymer frame. I had considered a Para Ordnance, but that unyielding steel frame and the thickness of the grip was absolutely unforgiving against my hands when I tried it.



    On those criteria alone, I was down to either the HK or a 2011. HK was actually more affordable, and since I wanted a nice crisp trigger, I went with the Tactical model with the match trigger, and it is as nice as I can imagine anything coming straight out of the box can be.

    Now I am not an HK supporter. I am as frustrated with their 'you suck and we hate you' attitude as anyone else. I do not intend to support that company with my money by buying more and more HK products just to say I have them.

    But when I bought the USP Tactical, I was buying a weapon that I intended to use to defend my life if needed. I put pro-gun-anti-gun company politics completely out of my mind at that point.

    I don't know if that covers my take on the poll. I did vote 'yes' because it was certainly worth the money to me.
     
  17. Dobe

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    I would have to say they are worth the money, although not every HK I own has been flawlessly reliable.
     
  18. doc540

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    I've owned seveal HK pistols.

    Their controls and ergonomics fit my hands perfectly and logically.

    I never "overpaid" for any of them.

    And I easily sold all of them at a premium.

    I like 'em.
     
  19. DanielW

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    Why is the HK so much more expensive than a Glock or an XD or an M&P??? You can have two of those for the price of one HK.....


    Why are Glocks, XDs, M&Ps, so much more expensive than a Hi-Point??? You can have two Hi-Points for the price of one Glock, XD, or M&P....
     
  20. leadcounsel

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    I rarely see anyone shooting an HK pistol, and of all the gun owners I personally know, I only know of 1 that owns one.

    What does HK have to offer at $800 that Sig doesn't offer at $700 or that Glock, S&W, Springfield XD, CZ, etc don't offer at $500-600. HK offers nothing.

    They would be better off, IMO, opening the market to the masses by dropping their prices to compete with the others.
     
  21. Coltman 77

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    Without a doubt H&K pistols are absolutely worth the price. :D

    I've been shooting since the early 1970's and have collected many fine pistols.

    My first pistol was a MK IV Series 70 Colt Govt. Model purchased in 1978 when I was 21 years old, so that should give you some insight into my mindset and experience.

    After buying and shooting various pistols over these last 30 years, I've come to believe that HK is the direction that I want to go with my future purchases.

    I own BHP's, 1911's, Beretta 92's, Sig 220, 226, PPS, M&P's, etc. Well, you get the picture.

    Do HK pistols cost more than some? Yes, of course they do. Take a hard look at the German over engineered design, testing and quality. It's just top quality.

    Am I looking for a "good deal" or "bargain" to possibly defend my life or my family's life with?

    No.

    I'll be thrifty with some purchases -- but not firearms. YMMV.

    As vaupet stated very well in his earlier post :

    "To me, every penny of them
    first you have accuracy: excellent
    then handling: very nice
    materials and production quality: no compromise there, look at the testing done for the mk23 by the special forces , so part of the price is already explained and will perform in life-expectatncy (30000 rnds without a single faillure)

    and then you argue over 200 $ on a 20 year investment, when you pay sevarl hundreds on ammo or fuel for your car. If you care for quality, it will be worth the little extra money."


    Here's a pic of my Christmas present, an HK P30 L. :D DSCN1084.gif
     
  22. DSAPT9

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    I like them and I have owned several but I have not found anything so special to warrant the price they want for them. So I sold them and bought other brands and ammo with the money. I guess it is a personal choice.
     
  23. ironduke

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    They are not really that expensive. Last year I paid $800 for a SIG P229 .40S&W and will gladly pay $900 in a few weeks for a HK USP Compact .45ACP.
     
  24. Jed Carter

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    Just a guess but most of the NO voters do not own an H&K pistol, I vote yes, they shoot great and are very reliable. There are better "range" pistols, like a well tuned 1911, but when it absolutely positively has to go bang, again and again...H&K or SIG.
     
  25. johnrobe

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    I prefer the ergonomics of my HK USP Compact to any other semi-auto I've fired (a personal issue, but there it is), and the the fit/finish is second to none. That said, I do think they are overpriced by maybe $100-$150, but IMO the level of quality is such that they deserve to be at a higher price point than Glocks, XD's, etc.

    FWIW, I've fired Springfields, Glocks, Berettas, Rugers, CZs and of course the HK.
     
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