Are HK pistols worth the money?

$450 is right in line with the prices of new Glocks. If HKs cost that much new, we'd have a good race.

If you're going to price your product well over its competition, it has to offer something special....and "the name and reputation" only works for truly devoted fans and those without enough knowledge to make an educated decision.

 

I picked up a grade A p7 with 2 mags for $700. Shoots anything and everything with no problems. And it's one of the nicest shooting 9mm I've ever shot. Very good point of aim and quick follow up shots.

 

I think the people who say if you have not owned one then you should not have an opinion are wrong. We don't own one because we do have an opinion. My opinion is its not $400 better than a Glock. I vote that opinion every time I go into a gun store and its a valid opinion.

 

$400 difference? I see closer to a $200 difference (assuming there is a comparable model... no other company has ever offered the equivalent of the P7).

I already posted in this thread, but lately I've gained even more appreciation for my old, workhorse USP 45c. It was absolutely worth every penny to me. I can say the same for every HK I've owned.

If others don't see the same value that I do, that's fine.

 

If you shoot it well, it has proven reliable, you can afford it, and you trust it with your life it is worth any price should the time come to use it in defense of yourself and your loved ones.

 

I work at a range. I am by no means an expert, but I do get to see lots of weapons firing lots of rounds, and get to fire more than a few myself. My experience with HK's:

Good:
Some are extremely comfy to shoot (p30, p2000, HK45).

Seem to be well designed and put together. Whenever I take apart the rental guns, the HK's fare the best. Very little fouling anywhere other than the barrel and feed ramp.

Very reliable, and break neither more or less often than the Glocks, the CZ's, and the SIG's.

Accurate. Nothing special, but more than adequate. Perhaps a little better than a Glock.

Fully ambidextrous options.

Mostly well-placed controls, slide stop, mag release, etc... all good. I don't like the safety/decocker on the USP, but many other people do. The mag release is kind of wonky, but if I carried one, training would make this a nonissue


You knew it was coming...

Bad things:
Trigger. I don't like it. Every one I've handled has had a gritty, heavy, stacking trigger pull in both SA and DA modes. They do have a massive array of other trigger options, so one of those might suit me better, but haven't had the pleasure yet.

Price. If I really wanted one, this would make no difference. None at all. I'd just have to save more. Other polymer pistols do tend to be much cheaper, but that's the market. Don't like it? OK, do what I did, and don't buy one.

CS/Company attitude. They don't really seem to be concerned with the civilian market. That's their choice, as it is mine whether or not to buy their wares.

And the biggest reason I don't have one? I just don't really want one. I prefer CZ's. I prefer 1911's. In polymer I prefer M&P's and XD's. (Glock? meh.)

 

someone resurrected my old thread!

still overwhelmingly "no"

 

The problem for me is not so much the lever release itself, but the fact it's tiny on top of it. The Walther P99 series has a MUCH better lever release because it is a lot bigger. I don't think it will ever be as fast as push button though, even with training.

In my opinion, Hk is a company that THINKS their products are vastly superior to everything else and therefore feel vindicated in charging a lot more than everyone else. Case in point is their stubborn use of their own proprietary rail system when the standard one that every other company uses is just fine. Classic "I know whats best for the consumer more than the consumer does" mentality.

 

They are solid pistols no doubt, but there are also a lot of other very solid pistols that cost less and do the same exact thing, so I say no.

 

Name a gun that is both cheaper, more reliable, more accurate, and has a better trigger than my USP Tactical...I paid 1099.99. Go ahead. Btw, the price point has effectively eliminated all 1911 from consideration because a 1911 that is under 1100 is either accurate or reliable, but I wouldn bet my first born that it won't be both. Please enlighten me. Remember it must be: cheaper, MORE reliable and MORE accurate. Good luck.

 

HK's trigger isn't a selling point for me....

 

Glocks around here are going mid to low five hundred. Now I'm not a mathematician but that is more than $200, in fact its more than the $400 I said.

 

Eh, if you actually shoot a gun, the cost of the gun itself isn't much compared to the cost of the ammo you'll put through it. HK's are good guns, so if you like them, have at it.

Personally, I can be a cheapass... and XD's are much cheaper, just as reliable, and I can shoot them well. As such, I really can't justify the cost of a polymer HK to myself. Maybe a P7 someday though, just for the heck of it.

 

At $550, we'd have a good race. I would seriously consider a HK at that price.

 

Agreed.

 

At $550, we'd have a good race. I would seriously consider a HK at that price.

 

The SA pull on an HK is as good as any, with the exception of a 1911.

 

FNP-Tactical

 

yes, the HK's work great for me, love the ergos and I can shoot them better than my M&P9, but just as good as my 1911.

I had Glocks and I just couldnt shoot very well with them and ended up selling them to help finance a HK P30. Oddly I miss my Glock 17, it didnt fit my hand very well nor did I shoot it very well, but it was my first Glock.

Its really all about what you like and what you want to buy and use.

 

HK does not have one trigger.

There are different versions of the LEM, and on different models those different versions are different. When discussing HK triggers, it's necessary to specify a model (and trigger version). To a lesser degree the same applies to HK DA/SA triggers.

 

My only complaint about my usp40 is the double action trigger pull. Its as hard of a pull as some revolvers I've shot

 

I see some people aren't getting the point.

There is no way a Glock is MORE accurate than a USP TACTICAL. I know, I have a G17. If anything the accuracy is the same. And the real world reliability is the same. Don't go showing me that torture test between a Glock and a USP. I don't plan on dropping my USP in baby powder anytime soon.

The FNP Tactical goes for only $100 less than a Tactical. Plus it's ugly and completely unproven. Doesn't come with the match trigger either. And unless you have real empirical evidence that it is MORE accurate and MORE reliable your argument doesn't hold water. If you do please post the link. Being the hottest new thing on the street isn't proof that it's better.

You've obviously never fired a USP Tactical so your opinion is moot. There is not a better trigger in ANY polymer gun offered today (in single action mode of course ).

fair enough, now add a match trigger to that Glock @ $50ish, then a threaded barrel @140 and then add a set of METAL adjustable match sights $250 and you'll have all of the options that came with my tactical. I'll save you some time and do the math for you that comes out to 1099.99 for the Tactical and 1025.00 for the Glock assuming that you would spend $60 for installation of the trigger springs. That's not even considering the shipping for the three items or installation of the sights. Do you see the point I'm making? Probably not. Most of you are so blinded by envy you couldn't see the truth if I tattooed it into your retinas.

I can see why everyone is groaning about a NORMAL USP not being worth $200 more than a Glock. That IMO is a valid debate. There is, however NO debate that a Tactical model USP is a bargain. A dead-nuts accurate, to hell and back reliable pistol with an excellent trigger in single stage mode. the uncocked DA mode is workable.

 

even so, considering the trigger pull, and the fact that parts like a replacement recoil assembly runs like $50 (as apposed to glock's $7), i'd still have to pass.....

 

But your Glock recoil spring "should" be replaced every ~5,000-rounds and the HK's recoil spring assembly is rated for ~20,000 rounds. If you are smart enough, you only have to replace the spring and not the entire assembly. The springs are cheap, BTW.

Also, from recent reports, the Glock Gen 4 pistols are losing their benchmark of reliability.

 

Basically. It reminds me of the Camaro vs Vette guys back in the LS1 days. The Camaro guys want to believe that they have an equal car to the Vette even though they paid less money. "hey it has the same engine, why should i pay more?" So they trash Vettes and call them overpriced and this and that...