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Are Pistol Caliber Carbines relevant these days?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Panzercat, Mar 17, 2013.

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Are pistol caliber carbines relevant?

Poll closed Apr 2, 2013.
  1. Yes; It's the right tool for the right job.

    234 vote(s)
    82.7%
  2. No; There's a better tool no matter what the job.

    49 vote(s)
    17.3%
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  1. PorkChopsMmm

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    That's got to be a longer barrel one -- maybe the 20" or 24" octagon one. I have seen the 16" one (which is what I have) listed as little as 4.8lbs and up to just over 5lbs. I went with the high end just in case.

    I agree with what others have said -- its about a tool fitting a role. A PCC, specifically the 357 lever gun, fit my role better than others but may not be for everyone. IF SBRs were legal in my state of Michigan I might have tried to go with something in suppressed 300 BLK but as it stands now I can use off the shelf subsonic 38 special so I am good to go in that regard.
     
  2. Vern Humphrey

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    No. Under this logic, no one should choose a specialized and limited weapon for all around use.
     
  3. Warp

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    I'm sorry, I didn't realize the topic was "which firearm is the best for all around use".

    I thought the topic was: "Are pistol caliber carbines relevant these days?"

     
  4. PorkChopsMmm

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    This is starting to sound like a SHTF fantasy instead of a discussion on the relevance of short carbines shooting pistol caliber rounds.
     
  5. mljdeckard

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    I concur with Girodin in post #54.

    I cannot think of a single situation in which I would drop an M-4gery for a PCC.
     
  6. jim243

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    Let's see, 223 is it really almost $1.00 per round and 9mm still $0.35 a round??

    Jim
     
  7. mavracer

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    "That's got to be a longer barrel one -- maybe the 20" or 24" octagon one. I have seen the 16" one (which is what I have) listed as little as 4.8lbs and up to just over 5lbs. I went with the high end just in case."
    Sorry I went back and read that wasn't taken from puma's websight that was the actual weight for a 20" round barrel 357.
    You really can't go off Manufacture's weights anyway Puma list all the 16" guns at the same weight but I'll bet you lunch my 16" 44 mag is lighter (empty) than your 357.
    take another look at the second poll option in the OP. Is there something better than a PCC for every use, most certainly.
     
  8. BCRider

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    In addition to the cost for range fun what about that noise issue I brought up earlier?

    I invite you to shoot off a couple of .223's from an M4'gery in an indoor range without hearing protection. Your ears may tell you that there IS a place for a PCC shooting handgun ammo out of a longer barrel which results in a quieter report. .....Well, they will once they stop ringing and possibly bleeding.

    I'm not trying to say in any manner that a PCC is better or even the same as a M4/AR in 5.56. But there are going to be times, such as cost for plinking and possibly home defense, where the cheaper and far more quiet PCC will not only do the job but do it quite well and perhaps even in a more user friendly manner for some circumstances.

    Anyhow this is all coming down to about the same as trying to discuss religion or politics or hockey teams. We should probably all just leave it as it sits and go off to other things.
     
  9. Warp

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    It seems to me we have a lot of people posters who have never, do not, and will never own something chambered in .22lr. Very weird results are arising from this question
     
  10. MCgunner

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    And for all around use, they're absolutely relevant.

    If you're Charles Whitman, I guess you'd rather have a scoped high caliber rifle. If you're still hunting in dense woods, perhaps a .44 mag lever gun would be a better choice. If you're hunting dense woods, a .357 lever gun would do that well for deer, hogs, or with a light .38 load, you could hunt squirrel in the same woods, or rabbits. I've heard some carrying a .30-06 squib loaded with a 00 buck pellet and a dash of bullseye for this. I guess it CAN be done. Not sure how accurate that would be.

    Me, I will not be shooting in a self defense scenario from 300 yards. I don't desire jail time. I'm not in the military and long range sniping for civilians is called murder.

    All that said, I own several high caliber hunting rifles and only one PCC. I like it, it ain't for sale, it's fun, and I wanted it. That's all it took, WANT. Is that not "relevance"? It does come in handy, though, so light and easy to carry in the woods.
     
  11. xtarheel

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    If we were to get back to the original question.

    I like my .38-40 Winchester SRC carbine and Blackhawk convertable in 10mm and .38.40 for fun. My Marlin .357 and S&W 66 for fun and...other
     
  12. mljdeckard

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    No. I can practice with Wolf, and I handload. Cost isn't a deciding factor to me. And I have shot plenty of all of the above, indoors, and outdoors, with hearing protection and without. I am fortunate to still have better than average hearing for the things I have put my ears through.
     
  13. Vern Humphrey

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    Why would you say that?
     
  14. Warp

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    Some day I'll have a sweet lever gun in either .38/.357

    And if there is ever a 9mm carbine that takes Glock magazines, that I really like, I'll probably have it too.
     
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    Just Right Carbine;


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  16. Warp

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    What I REALLY want is a reliable and affordable AR platform 9mm that will take Glock mags.

    But if the market/choices dont' change much I"ll probably end up with a 9mm AR and just buy more magazines that go with it

    *With AR controls, including charging handle/safety/mag release and all that
     
  17. MCgunner

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    Speaking of .22s, come to think of it, my .22LR rifles and my 8 or 10 handguns in the caliber are pistol calibers, right? :D I also have a Remington 597 magnum and a NAA Black Widow in .22 magnum. Does that count? :D
     
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    22LR as in 22 long rifle:banghead:
    Of course by the same token and just to muddy the water further while very popular in pistols 38-40 and 44-40 were developed as rifle rounds.
    But then are we sure the Blackout is actually a rifle round as it is basically the same as the 300 whisper which was developed by JD Jones in a T/C Contender.
     
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  19. jmorris

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    I'll flip the argument and say I also have rifle caliber pistols that are useful.
     
  20. Warp

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    I have one of those

    Here is maybe 1/2 of the muzzle flash

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  21. jim243

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    Warp, can I have my steak med rare, please.

    Jim
     
  22. Dirty Bob

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    They are a good choice for those who practice at an indoor range. Less hammering of the ears and the backstops.

    I shoot my .45 Colt at an outdoor suburban range. With my light loads, it's quiet enough that I can practice early in the morning without disturbing the neighbors.

    All my best,
    Dirty Bob
     
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    Is an MP5 considered a carbine?

    If it is, make my vote 'yes.' Otherwise, no.
     
  24. jim243

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    The original H&K MP5 in 9mm is not, if however you are talking about one with a 16 inch barrel and a overall length of 26 inches, it could be considered a carbine, but I am not sure they are allowed to be imported because the barrels can be swaped with a shorter one. The H&K MP5 SD and A5 in 22 LR are considered by H&K as rifles they use a false sound suppresser shroud over the barrel to give the rifle a better appearance and are carbine length.

    Jim
     
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  25. mavracer

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    That depends on weather you use the book definition or the generally accepted one.
    While it would be generally acceptable to call any long gun with a 16" barrel a carbine. To actually be a carbing there would have to be a longer rifle version to shorten to carbine length.
    IE a 20" 1894 winchester is a carbine because the rifle versions had longer 24-26" barrels while a 20" AR15 is a rifle because that is the original rifle length.
     
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