Are revolvers better?

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This may start a big debate but I'm wondering y'alls thoughts. Capacity aside are revolvers better than semis? I personally find revolvers to be better in every way over a semi besides capacity and possibly sights. Sights can be changed though. Concealability I find my snub nose to be as concealable if not more than my SC semis. The curvature of the grips seem to conceal better. I find the ergonomics to be better and naturally points better. The versatility of a revolver I find superior also, being able to use a larger variety of projectile weights and charges from powder puff to powerhouse. Would really have to screw up a load to jam up a revolver compared to a semi. I also am a much better shooter with a revolver than semi. Not that I don't like or can't shoot my semis, I can but maybe because I learned on a revolver they just seem more accurate. Could be due to a revolver having a stationary barrel which helps.
What are your thoughts? Capacity aside which do you choose and why?
 
If you can learn how to operate a DA trigger then IMO they ARE more reliable (better) than a magazine fed weapon only because most people treat their magazines like crap and/or insist on using "designer" hollowpoint ammo that may or may not feed reliably in their gun. Unfortunately some people just cannot figure out DA shooting or they tend jerk the trigger on every shot. i used to build and compete with 1911s for years and still love those guns a lot but over the years I have seen so many poorly set up and poorly maintained 1911s suddenly choke on the range and at matches. I only carry revolvers for CCW. There are many more things that can choke a semi auto than a revolver (like a weak mag spring or slightly out of spec ammunition). I have seen a few revolvers lock up too but at a tiny fraction of the rate that semi autos do. The big advantage of revolvers is that the round is already in the chamber - it does not have to go through a feeding cycle and the empty cases do not have to be extracted and ejected for the gun to fire all of its rounds. Now go ahead and flame me boys and girls.......
 
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No if the revolver was the end all be all the semi-auto in today’s form wouldn’t exist.

the history or guns is littered with not so good ideas, buyers have settled on the platforms we currently see available.

My question is how long will the revolver be mass produced, and who will care if not?
 
If we are talking about a self defense gun I believe a semi auto is a better choice for most people. I personally believe a good semi auto (particularly a striker fired one) is as reliable or more reliable than a revolver and the majority of people shoot a semi auto better than they can shoot a double action snub nose revolver. I've had a couple hang ups and jams ect with my revolvers due to junk getting in them and one with a manufacturing defect, but never had a hickup of any kind with my carry semi auto. It is also easier for me personally to carry the way I want to. Everyone is different though, I'm certain a revolver works very well for many.
 
Couple rambling thoughts.

I am a pretty hard core revolver shooter. I conceal carry, wood/tractor/utv carry, compete with (USPSA & IDPA) and hunt with a revolver. Despite my love of the S&W double-action revolver a modern good quality semi-auto handgun is better in nearly every way possible when compared to a modern revolver in a self-defense or duty role. I am making the assumption we are talking about self-defense or duty applications.

You may want to set capacity aside but in reality capacity is king and can't really be set aside.

Reload speed, you can reload a revolver fast but someone of equal skill will almost always reload the semi-auto faster. This exacerbates the capacity issue even more.

With many of the modern semi-autos the reliability is as good or better than modern revolvers.

Recoil, a semi-auto action spreads out the recoil impulse making it easier on the hands and easier and faster to control for follow up shots.

Trigger. The best double action revolver trigger is never going to be as good or as shoot-able as the same amount of work done to a quality semi-auto trigger.

Sights are a non-issue as you can change both to whatever the shooter prefers.

For a given amount of training/practice time most shooters will be more advanced using a semi-auto than a revolver. Everything takes more time/practice to become equally proficient with a revolver. Mastering the double action trigger take more time than the trigger in most semi-autos. Mastering a fast reliable reload with a revolver takes more time than a semi-auto. etc.


All that rambling said in the end though it really is the Indian and not the arrow. I will take the guy that trains and practices hard with his revolver over someone that thinks the latest and greatest tactical tupparware will make up for a lack of practice. To that end I have beaten more than my fair share of bottom feeders with the noble round gun at the local USPSA and IDPA matches but that speaks more to their lack of practice than the superiority of my revolver. YMMV
 
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Better for what? Without an answer to that question, I would default to mcb's explanation.
 
As if we haven't discussed this before.

My take:

Most of us will never need more ammo than is held in a revolver's cylinder. But, when we do need more, there is no substitute for more.

You can have a malfunction with either platform. Malfunctions are rarer with revolvers, but when they happen you are probably SOL, since they aren't easily remedied in the field. Malfunctions are more frequent with semi-autos (but still rare), and are most commonly easier to rectify on the spot.

So, what am I carrying today? It depends on my mood, but it could be either a revolver or a semi-auto.
 
I believe the revolver has the advantage shooting big, magnum rounds. Most auto-loaders don't give you the option to fire large powerful rounds with the flexibility of ammo types a revolver can. If you need a large powerful, magnum round, for hunting or similar need, the revolver has an advantage.

For other uses, I find auto-loaders more advantageous. I find them easier to shoot (I'm comparing the single action or striker triggers of auto-loaders to the double action trigger of revolvers - which is apples to apples, and not comparing the revolver single action trigger to a striker or DA auto which is apples to oranges), easier to reload, and generally more ergonomic.
 
This may start a big debate but I'm wondering y'alls thoughts. Capacity aside are revolvers better than semis?

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What are your thoughts? Capacity aside which do you choose and why?

I don't think either is "better", until a task is assigned or a user shows a preference.

I like to shoot revolvers. I also like capacity. So I like both, depending on what I'm doing and where I am. I choose revolvers for woods carry, and for other times I'm in low population areas. I choose semi-autos for high population areas. Sometimes, I even carry both! At the same time! :eek:

From my personal perspective, revolvers produces more accurate results in my hands. I shoot them more, and am therefore more familiar with them. On my body they print less when worn concealed than semi-autos typically do. And when concealment is an issue, are easier and faster to draw from that concealed place due to the nature of the grip. I also find them more natural to point. And I prefer the magnum calibers for defense against animals. I find I deal with heavier recoil better in a revolver.

Where the semi-auto shines is the capacity, and the ease of reloading. But there are other features I appreciate too: Front and rear night sights are much more available, and therefore all my semi-autos are easier to aim (and therefore use effectively) in low light situations. They are also easier for me to load and shoot one handed, and easier to shoot with only my non-dominant hand.
 
I carry a revolver more often than an auto. The exception is when I do church security and there may be a need for more rounds, then I carry a pistol. I have never needed more rounds than were in the gun but there is the small chance under some circumstances where a reload might be needed and the pistol gets the nod.
 
Revolvers shine in the 41/44 magnum and up caliber range so I think they make better woods or hiking guns. At the 357 and down level I think autoloaders are better firearms - same power but higher capacity, fast mag changes and the flat profile makes carrying them easier (at least for me). In terms of accuracy I'm probably the best with a revolver in single action if you're talking slow fire, but if I'm trying to shoot rapidly I do a lot better with a striker fired pistol than I do with a revolver in double action. I can't shoot any pistol anywhere near as well as I can shoot a rifle but I suppose that's true of almost everybody.
 
Revolvers are better at bringing a smile to my face when I see them, hold them, and (with some models) firing them. :D

Semi-autos can make me smile, just not as big. :)

Totally agree, kind of the basis for my OP. Maybe it's the nostalgia also but just holding a revolver makes me smile. The grips and angles are like an extension of my hands.

Better for what? Without an answer to that question, I would default to mcb's explanation.

As far as this, my uses are woods, hunting, target, and carry. My use for carry is to defend and retreat. Since the chances are that I will NEVER have to fire a shot, the higher capacity of the semi doesn't overly concern me. If I was going into combat then I would choose a high cap semi. Actually would have my AR on me. I still shoot and practice, occasionally carry my semi but 9/10 times the revolver gets the call.
 
Hang around long enough and you'll read about plenty of revolver problems. And stoppages with revolvers usually can't be cleared with a simple Immediate action drill.

Revolvers in my opinion, have two advantages -- more powerful cartridges and they don't spit your brass all over Hell's Half Acre. I like a revolver in the woods (usually a Colt New Service in .45 Colt) and an automatic in town (almost always an M1911.)
 
I'll take another shot at this. Are revolvers better? No. But they are better at certain things.

They are better at handling magnum-level cartridges without beating themselves to death.
They are better at giving the shooter more flexibility in grip shape and size, since they do not have to accommodate a magazine.
They are not necessarily more accurate that semi-autos, but I would say that most full-size revolvers are more accurate, on average, than the average service-sized semi-auto.
They are better at digesting odd bullet shapes and wide ranges of power.
The long DA pull of a revolver, with lots of tactile and visual feedback that the trigger is being pulled, is pretty good at minimizing negligent discharges.
The SA mode of a revolver trigger can generally be made very good.
Some people find small revolvers easier to conceal or carry.
The frequency of minor jams/difficulty is pretty low, and the clearing method for a cartridge with a high or dud primer is very simple.

They're worse at most other things.
 
Stop watch and target doesn't lie. That's a nope, here.

Revolvers are obsolete for me. My J frames niche is safe jacket pocket carry. That's all. It's performs worse everywhere else.

If some people can't do advanced one hand malf drills with an auto, maybe the revolver is a good choice. Although when a revolver jams......
 
Some of us live in the 21st century. Why wouldn't someone carry something slimmer, with typically far superior sights from the factory, and usually a better trigger? If a revolver malfunctions, chances are almost 100% it's down hard and out of the fight for good ... a semi-auto can be instantly brought back into the fight. And yeah, the whole capacity thing is the big trump card in the game.

So no. [Why do I always get sucked into these threads?]
 
I think revolvers should be pushed more for concealed carry. I don’t think your average guy off the street needs to be carrying a 15 capacity Glock with a light striker fired trigger. Most people, possibly even many on this board, don’t practice enough and don’t have safe practices ingrained in them well enough for such a firearm, which is why I think a revolver with a heavy trigger pull is a better choice for your casual conceal carry user. Personally, I prefer my j-frame more than just about anything else when I’m carrying, I don’t think I’ll ever need more than 5 shots and I find the shape of small revolver comfortable to conceal. Plus, if I ever really messed up and somehow my 1 year old or toddler got a hold of my gun, I’d hope it’d be a revolver.

But for home protection where I think capacity might come more into play, I think a semi auto is a slightly better choice. Still, grabbing a firearm with a light trigger pull at 3:00AM in the morning might not be the best idea for a lot of people, so maybe a revolver is still the superior option for casual users. My choice is a DA/SA CZ 75b for bumps in the night.

But I don’t buy that either is more reliable than the other. I’ve had a Glock I used to own fail on me, and I’ve had my SP101 lock up on me. The Glock required a dowel rod twice to clear the jam, and it took some fenagling with the cylinder to get the SP to work.
 
You pose an ambiguous question, support it with broad and arbitrary over generalization, and then discard the one major advantage from the opposition outright without explanation. Why should we not consider capacity? The history and advancement of firearms is largely one of increased firepower, most of which deals directly with capacity. Military tactics have changed to recognize advancements in capacity specifically because it is one of the major contributors to winning a battlefield, or surviving a personal defense encounter. It is a big deal. You can't just ignore it offhand because it is inconvenient to your argument.

For some things, yes, revolvers may be better. Today, these things are mostly relegated to the non-combative specifically because of the revolver's relative lack of firepower. A revolver is probably going to be a better choice than an auto for many hunting applications, or for long-range steel in competition. But with very few exceptions, they may not be the best choice for a combat sidearm or for self defense.

We know now that handguns are notoriously unreliable stoppers. As a whole, handguns fail to stop an adversary regardless of how many rounds are put on the torso something like 30% of the time. A defensive encounter with a handgun is typically close and fast and frantic. Nobody shoots as well when someone is trying to kill them as they do on the square range. Even well trained shooters miss, quite often. It is quixotic and naive for you to assume that you are going to maintain a level of accuracy with a revolver that is going to negate its lack of capacity and firepower. You are going to miss at least as often as you are going to hit, and you are probably going to have to hit multiple times to neutralize an adversary. Add multiple attackers, and you are looking pretty shaky with only 5 or 6 rounds before a reload, especially if even one of them is armed with an auto carrying over twice the number of rounds. This is not opinion or conjecture, but verifiable statistical fact.

A revolver may be a decent choice for a backup or for a deep concealment piece intended for only extreme close range, because they are harder to render inoperable by taking them out of battery. They may hold a largely theoretical reliability advantage. This was more of a concern back when we were comparing them to single stack handguns that only held two more rounds and couldn't reliably feed anything other than ball ammo (cough*1911*cough). The reliability advantage a J-frame has over something like a Glock 19 is so minute as to be obscure and almost abstractly theoretical. The Glock's 3x advantage in firepower? Not quite so minute.

What you shoot best or enjoy shooting the most is arbitrary. The statistics and accounts we have of defensive handgun encounters is not so arbitrary and points a grim picture. It is not like an old western, with two men squaring off in a street, one man falling dead in his boot tracks. It is a more of a close ambush at night-- chaotic and desperate. Your survival in a close in ambush is not one of long range marksmanship ability or even power. It is about reaction time, aggression, and overwhelming firepower. Discounting capacity outright because your revolver has a one minute of angle of mechanical accuracy advantage is foolish because in a self defense situation, an auto's capacity is likely to matter far more.
 
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