Are there any modern service pistols in 7.62x25 Tokarev?

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I realize it would require paper work and a tax stamp, but if that were done, how difficult would it be to purchase a PPS-43 (http://store.prairiearms.com/store/p...25-4-35RD-MAG/) and replace the welded folding stock with one that would work correctly?

Way too difficult to be practical. Buy the "carbine" version with a working folding stock and then SBR it. All things considered, the CNC Gunparts AR upper is a better way to go.
 
Col. Pink said:
why not just buy a dang CZ-52?
good question. it's not a bad pistol but it has small sights, low capacity, a fragile firing pin, a faulty decocking lever, lack of a rail, lack of support, heel magazine release, overly heavy trigger pull for a single action, etc.

all of these could be easily addressed if CZ would update their design.

oal for 7.62mm tok is 1.3 inch
oal for .45acp is 1.26 inch

it's not too much of a stretch.
 
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mine's never given me a problem, though it would be nice to have more capacity. I don't trust decockers anyway, and parts are still cheap and easy to find. Not sure what all the belly-achin's about...
 
I hate to be a spoiler, but no major (Western) handgun manufacturer is going to fool with 7.62x25 - there's just not that much demand to be profitable. The only guns available are either C&R handguns or remanufactured parts kits that transform subguns into semi-auto carbines. The cartridge is basically a faster 30 Mauser designed for use in a full auto carbine. It has extreme velocity but little knockdown power - 85gr @ approx 1400+. Many people see the dirt cheap corrosive ammo from the 1950's to 70's and think that that's the way to go to shoot a lot for less cash, but if you compare apples to apples, would it be attractive if 7.62x25 ammo was $16/box of 50? At that point, many start thinking about 9mm @ $10/box or 40 @ $14/box at their local WM.
 
I'm not sure about no knockdown power? .380 and all these new short barrel 9mm can't have unreal knockdown power compared to the 7.62X25
 
wikipedia:
5.5 g (85 gr) FMJ[4] 525 m/s (1,720 ft/s) 760 J (560 ft·lbf)
from a 12 cm barrel

560 fl-lbs sounds like plenty of power to me...
But I carry 9x18 mak, so I fall right into line with the kind of people who like 7.62x25.
 
Mopar92, if you're willing to wait a few weeks, I plan on running various military surplus 7.62x25 over my Chrony F1 when the weather warms up. Though this is primarily to get the numbers for Yugoslavian surplus, it will also include Romanian and Polish surplus (as well as some commercial 93 gr JSP loads from Reed's ).
 
I know that conversion barrels are available for the Uzi Carbine in .357 SIG,
.40 S&W, and .41 AE. I wonder if anyone has made one for the 7.62x25 Tok, or if that round is too hot for a simple blowback action like the Uzi?
 
Mopar92, if you're willing to wait a few weeks, I plan on running various military surplus 7.62x25 over my Chrony F1 when the weather warms up. Though this is primarily to get the numbers for Yugoslavian surplus, it will also include Romanian and Polish surplus (as well as some commercial 93 gr JSP loads from Reed's ).

Please post up when you do. Would be very interesting.
 
IIRC the 9x19mm was based on the 30 Mauser and the 7.62x25 is basically a 30 Mauser. So should be pretty easy to get barrel in 7.62x25 for most 9s.
 
I shoot the 7.62x25 with a 115gr Wheelweight cast bullet with 4.5gr Scot 453 behind it, with a single punched CZ-52 (by single punched I mean the Arsenal refinishing marks on the spine of the slide that denote the potential accuracy of the gun). Terribly accurate, no leading, and very manageable recoil at about 1100 ft-sec. S&B runs about 1540.
The trick to finding a contemporary firearm to shoot this cartridge is to fin one that is a similar length (after all it does have to fit in the magazine and feed reliably). One that kind of stands out in my mind on a "relatively" modern pistol is the AMT Automag III (.30 Carbine).

Side note:
I have heard all kinds of arguments about the refinishing punch marks on the CZ-52.
My information comes from the American Gunsmithing Institute video: AGI - Armorers Course - CZ-52 (Explained 4:12 min - 4:40min)
 
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The velocities will only be from my two Yugoslavian M57s and not from the CZ-52 as I sold mine recently. However, the velocities should be quite similar to the CZ. I'll certainly post the results in a new thread.
 
the length of the magazine well in the grip is a limiting factor. that's why .45GAP was created because nobody wants to redesign everything for a cartridge like 7.62x25mm tokarev which might have no future.

.45acp
10mm
.38 super
9mm largo
7.62mm tokarev.

these cartridges are all a similar length. you can modify for a shorter cartridge like 9mm but not the reverse. these aren't very popular cartridges except for the .45ACP.

9mm luger
.40 S&W
.357SIG
.30 luger
9x21mm IMI
.45GAP

a few of these cartridges are popular. most autoloaders have this shorter magwell. manufacturers would rather have one magwell size unless customers start buying more guns in .45acp, 10mm, etc.
 
Correction:
A PPS 43C is totally made in Poland them imported to the usa with all new parts. The folding stock is welded in place.
Pic of mine...(The one on top)
PPS43CandRanchhand.jpg
 
Glamdring said:
IIRC the 9x19mm was based on the 30 Mauser and the 7.62x25 is basically a 30 Mauser. So should be pretty easy to get barrel in 7.62x25 for most 9s.
You're right about both having the same parent case, but the 7.62 Tok round is a LOT longer than the 9 Luger round
You can swap 7.62 Tok to 9 Luger in some cases, but the other way won't fit the magwell.

BAD IDEA BELOW:
Disturbingly (and don't try with real ammo, use a snap-cap) 9x19mm Luger will feed and chamber from a 7.62x25 Tokarev magazine, and when I did it with snap-caps in my CZ52 it hit the primer.
Probably a bad idea with live ammo, I don't even put the two on the same table at the range if I'm not the only shooter.
 
IIRC the 9x19mm was based on the 30 Mauser and the 7.62x25 is basically a 30 Mauser.
9x19mm Parabellum was based on the 7.65mm Luger round blown out to 9mm.

The 7.62x25mm is indeed essentially the 7.63x25mm Mauser, only (for the most part) hotter.
 
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